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Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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Post by lm28469 »

autotune wrote: post #59
lm28469 wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People put up with slavery and working 14 hours per day in the mine for a while, why did they suddenly start complain ? Why do you defend megacorps while you've been victim of the exact same shitty behaviour in the past ? Stockholm syndrome ?

How am I "defending megacorps" right now? I am literally knocking them down because people are worshiping them and focusing only on the people affected by them instead of writing about this type of practice that has happened literally everywhere at this point. What you wrote is straight up double speak nonsense.

You said he shouldn't complained because it happened to you and you didn't complain. You should be happy people start complaining

Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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Post by anshumankmr »

autotune wrote: post #49
anshumankmr wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I,too, have been impacted by layoffs. I myself was at a "unicorn" startup in my country and couldn't continue there once the pandemic began. I didn't get a story about me personally either (that being said there was quite a lot of articles about the events that happened where I worked). That being said, its a little different for this guy cause a) as the parent commenter mentioned, the guy uprooted his life and moved…

And how many times has that happened in the past with nobody batting an eye about it? Why does it only matter now that it's at a META company?

I think you answered it yourself, right? MAANG are the poster children of Big-Tech and that invites clicks and views. That being said, if people are more aware of such things, there is a chance we can ask for better conditions in the future.

Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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Post by mschuster91 »

hooby wrote: post #58

Imho the real question here is, why is it that Meta keeps hiring right right until they do large layoff rounds? The kind of issue that requires large layoff rounds is not something that just materializes overnight, out of the blue. So why does their management - which should be able to read the writing on the wall, since that's part of their job - not issue a strict hiring freeze (in addition to other measures taken…

> So why does their management - which should be able to read the writing on the wall, since that's part of their job - not issue a strict hiring freeze (in addition to other measures taken to try and avoid/reduce the impeding layoffs).

Hiring freezes are an internally visible sign (which may lead to critical people jumping ship at the wrong time or uncontrolled ship-on-fire quittings that end up larger than the original plans), but most importantly they are externally visible - and at that point they're market relevant, because early knowledge can be used to time the market as a serious headcount reduction will at least cause a significant volatility for the stock. Since there are specific disclosure requirements on potentially market relevant news, it makes sense to treat hiring freezes and layoffs by default as market relevant to keep the SEC and other market regulators away. And often enough, it's only highest level leadership that knows about plans, with not even HR being involved until the very last second, much less some middle manager with hiring authority.

It absolutely sucks for everyone involved, particularly new hires, but I don't see a way around that for a publicly traded company. However, companies should be mandated to cover all costs of relocation and half a year severance for breach of contract in bad faith for such cases.

Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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Post by matkoniecz »

kreetx wrote: post #3

I mean, if it was just the title that happened, but actually the big layoffs coincided with the person moving from India to Canada, thus something like this was bound to happen. Do we really need to drum up animosity towards Meta that bad? (They already do it without needing to add a click bait twist on top..)

Facebook should put hiring freeze first.

Setting up situation where "something like this was bound to happen" is FB fault, and makes it worse rather than absolving them.

Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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Post by mduggles »

I'm horrified by so many of the comments here that seem to lack even the most basic of human decency. Allow me to fill people in for those who have never uprooted your life and moved across the world for a job. It is a massive commitment on the part of the employee, where you sell the majority of your earthly possessions, property, cars, etc. Then you go through an immigration process which even if its handled by FAANG involves a ton of work. You get to the new country, find a place to live and start to adjust.

So to do that to someone and then days later be like "we actually don't want you" is beyond shitty. This persons visa is dependent on their employment so now they get to go into a city they don't know and try desperately to find employment with an employer who is interested in sponsoring someone from abroad (which is a small fraction of the total employers).

For all you budding Elons, here's a shorthand for it. If you ask someone to move across the world and don't need them anymore, give them three months on the books to find somewhere else that don't count against their visa. It will give them a chance to get settled and go on interviews. Or don't recruit internationally.

Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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Post by mastermedo »

hooby wrote: post #58

Imho the real question here is, why is it that Meta keeps hiring right right until they do large layoff rounds? The kind of issue that requires large layoff rounds is not something that just materializes overnight, out of the blue. So why does their management - which should be able to read the writing on the wall, since that's part of their job - not issue a strict hiring freeze (in addition to other measures taken…

It’s like that scene from the Margin Call. All is well, until you notice the calculations you did before make no sense.

Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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Post by culturestate »

bawolff wrote: post #32
jonathanhd wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The bigger issue is that he is likely now without a work visa and has to scramble to avoid deportation.

I dont think that's true in canada. IANAL but i was under the impression that if you are fired you are still allowed to stay until your work permit expires. Its only usa that has the problem you describe.

> Its only usa that has the problem you describe.

The grace period can vary wildly by country and, often, by the type of visa or work permit you hold. Just in my own sphere of experience, for example:

- Hong Kong GEP holders can stay for the length of their original permit, while people on domestic help visas get only 14 days

- EU Blue Card and Japanese work visa holders get 90 days

- US H-1B holders get 60 days

- Singaporean EP and Chinese Z-visa holders get 30 days

Of course there are ways to extend all of these (and some are much easier than others) but you can't legally work unless and until you find a new sponsor.

Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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Post by Broken_Hippo »

bawolff wrote: post #32
jonathanhd wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The bigger issue is that he is likely now without a work visa and has to scramble to avoid deportation.

I dont think that's true in canada. IANAL but i was under the impression that if you are fired you are still allowed to stay until your work permit expires. Its only usa that has the problem you describe.

In Canada, one can stay until it expires but they aren't allowed to work for anyone else in that time. (some will let you look for work for varying times)

It isn't the same doom, but doom nonetheless.

Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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Post by [deleted] »

luckylion wrote: post #50
miroljub wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the description, I would assume Germany, since that's precisely what happens here. But I can also imagine Germany is not the only state that allows its companies to act like this.

Why would workers from Eastern Europe not have passports? "Eastern European" typically means EU-member states, with Ukraine being the exception even before the war (within reasonable distance, populous enough for recruiters to go to). EU-citizens don't need a residency permit, and they have access to the social system in Germany. They're often not informed about their rights and that should be improved, but "they end…

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