So he gets 4 months of pay, his signing bonus, and all if his shares vest immediately.
One person I know in Seattle worked for 2 months before layoff day and didn't get severance package. Probably 90 days is minimum working time.
Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada
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Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada
#32So he gets 4 months of pay, his signing bonus, and all if his shares vest immediately.
The bigger issue is that he is likely now without a work visa and has to scramble to avoid deportation.
I dont think that's true in canada. IANAL but i was under the impression that if you are fired you are still allowed to stay until your work permit expires. Its only usa that has the problem you describe.
Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada
#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
Are you trying to make a distinction without a difference? Nope, hiring for a role you expect to cut at the same time is not the decent or even sane thing to do.
I think people who made decision to hire him and people who made layoffs are different people.
I'm wondering if that makes Meta look any better.. I am receiving invitations to move to Canada or to US, I have also spent more than a decade working in different countries.. I can relate to that person, it's horrible that any company can do something like this with no consequences.
Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada
#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
Are you trying to make a distinction without a difference? Nope, hiring for a role you expect to cut at the same time is not the decent or even sane thing to do.
I think people who made decision to hire him and people who made layoffs are different people.
That's why we don't blame a specific person, but the company.
Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada
#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
Exactly what I was going to say.We need to have empathy every once in a while. 11K people being fired from Meta seems abstract but these are 11K families that have been at least temporarily disrupted.
I have been laid off, or close to being laid off in that I had to leave, something like 3 different positions since the start of the pandemic and unemployed for around 6 months (doing amazing now in a recent role but that is besides the point). Was borderline close to being forced to move back in with my parents. I never got a story written up for me about that. I feel sympathy for many of those folks, but why should…
I'd say it's good we have so much press for this case, maybe he got attention you had not but in my opinion it's good for community if cases like this get highlighted, even if it's not my case...
Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada
#36I mean, if it was just the title that happened, but actually the big layoffs coincided with the person moving from India to Canada, thus something like this was bound to happen. Do we really need to drum up animosity towards Meta that bad? (They already do it without needing to add a click bait twist on top..)
He uprooted his life, moved across the globe, then got laid off and is likely facing a prospect of having to leave Canada (not familiar with work visa types there). This sucks, and the fact "it was bound to happen" (which is incorrect, it's not a law of nature) does not absolve Meta.
Having empathy has nothing to do with recognising that lay-offs happen and that the fact that someone had just relocated is not a good reason to protect them from lay-offs. There is no wrong that needs 'absolving' here.
What the employer can be judged on in such situation is how they handle it and, indeed, how empathic and helpful their are, but that's a different issue.
Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada
#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
I have been laid off, or close to being laid off in that I had to leave, something like 3 different positions since the start of the pandemic and unemployed for around 6 months (doing amazing now in a recent role but that is besides the point). Was borderline close to being forced to move back in with my parents. I never got a story written up for me about that. I feel sympathy for many of those folks, but why should…
I'd say it's good we have so much press for this case, maybe he got attention you had not but in my opinion it's good for community if cases like this get highlighted, even if it's not my case...
What about the case that happened so many times to contractors and employees like him in the past that didn't get coverage at lesser known companies? Why are so many people pretending to care now?
Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada
#38Earlier quoted context omitted.
Exactly what I was going to say.We need to have empathy every once in a while. 11K people being fired from Meta seems abstract but these are 11K families that have been at least temporarily disrupted.
I have been laid off, or close to being laid off in that I had to leave, something like 3 different positions since the start of the pandemic and unemployed for around 6 months (doing amazing now in a recent role but that is besides the point). Was borderline close to being forced to move back in with my parents. I never got a story written up for me about that. I feel sympathy for many of those folks, but why should…
I mean your feelings and experience and valid but following the same logic, no one should complain about anything because there's always someone who has been the through the same hell if not worse. If they could get some resolution, good for them, for the rest of us, oh well life is unfair.
(This is coming from a woman who grew up in a Muslim country and sees women around her complain about video game representation lol)
Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada
#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
Exactly what I was going to say.We need to have empathy every once in a while. 11K people being fired from Meta seems abstract but these are 11K families that have been at least temporarily disrupted.
I have been laid off, or close to being laid off in that I had to leave, something like 3 different positions since the start of the pandemic and unemployed for around 6 months (doing amazing now in a recent role but that is besides the point). Was borderline close to being forced to move back in with my parents. I never got a story written up for me about that. I feel sympathy for many of those folks, but why should…
"My life sucked but I didn't say anything so you better shut up about your problems"
I never understood people who think like that. It's no ok and people shouldn't feel ok about it
Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada
#40I mean, if it was just the title that happened, but actually the big layoffs coincided with the person moving from India to Canada, thus something like this was bound to happen. Do we really need to drum up animosity towards Meta that bad? (They already do it without needing to add a click bait twist on top..)
He uprooted his life, moved across the globe, then got laid off and is likely facing a prospect of having to leave Canada (not familiar with work visa types there). This sucks, and the fact "it was bound to happen" (which is incorrect, it's not a law of nature) does not absolve Meta.
> is likely facing a prospect of having to leave Canada (not familiar with work visa types there)
Unless it changed in the last few years, Canadian work permits allow you to continue to reside in the country for the duration of their validity, even if you lose your employment.
The vast majority of them are tied to an employer though, so even if you find another job, you need to go through the process again, which takes quite a lot of time.