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Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by Mandelmus »

asveikau wrote: post #52
mellosouls wrote: post #48

Why the Japanese media has refused to identify the ‘religious group’ that formed the motive for the killing must remain as speculation at this juncture, though it reflects very poorly on Japan’s status as a democratic nation. It is quite striking in the UK and US how mainstream media will be remarkably coy about identifying the cultural background of some criminals while straight off the bat into condemnatory opinion…

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Your thinly veiled accusation of racism notwithstanding, I don’t think there’s anything morally deplorable in thinking the media should help the public build a more statistically representative model of the world we live in, regardless of the cultural background of criminals. As an example, I don’t think the demographic of young white guys fare too well in the mass shooter statistic, but omitting this reality isn’t of public benefit.

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by DonHopkins »

asveikau wrote: post #52
mellosouls wrote: post #48

Why the Japanese media has refused to identify the ‘religious group’ that formed the motive for the killing must remain as speculation at this juncture, though it reflects very poorly on Japan’s status as a democratic nation. It is quite striking in the UK and US how mainstream media will be remarkably coy about identifying the cultural background of some criminals while straight off the bat into condemnatory opinion…

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Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by mellosouls »

asveikau wrote: post #52
mellosouls wrote: post #48

Why the Japanese media has refused to identify the ‘religious group’ that formed the motive for the killing must remain as speculation at this juncture, though it reflects very poorly on Japan’s status as a democratic nation. It is quite striking in the UK and US how mainstream media will be remarkably coy about identifying the cultural background of some criminals while straight off the bat into condemnatory opinion…

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Actually, it's a problem on both sides of the media, though I admit I was interested to see if biases would be revealed in any responses...

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by Mandelmus »

xadhominemx wrote: post #56
mellosouls wrote: post #48

Why the Japanese media has refused to identify the ‘religious group’ that formed the motive for the killing must remain as speculation at this juncture, though it reflects very poorly on Japan’s status as a democratic nation. It is quite striking in the UK and US how mainstream media will be remarkably coy about identifying the cultural background of some criminals while straight off the bat into condemnatory opinion…

That’s because the ethnicity of a criminal is usually not a relevant detail. It is not similar to the Japanese media hiding the motive of the assassination.

> That’s because the ethnicity of a criminal is usually not a relevant detail.

That’s a big assumption rooted in a moral framework rather than in objective science.

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by simonh »

moomin wrote: post #39
paulmd wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it? In most democracies in the world there are things you cannot publish even if they are true - Britain for example still maintains an official state censor, and even in the US there are still some state secrets that you cannot publish regardless of how true they are . Britain and many other countries also maintain a right to privacy that protects non-public-figure individuals against salacious soap-opera tabloid…

Britain’s an interesting case, but I don’t think it makes the point you think it does. Yes, there’s a censor, but the real reason all the newspapers report the same thing at the same time is cultural a) newspaper ownership is concentrated amongst a very small group of people, most of whom are billionaires b) they employ people who they trust to do the right thing c) journalism in the U.K. operates a revolving door wi…

> c) journalism in the U.K. operates a revolving door with the conservative party’s communications division

Actually the prime minister’s press office, and to be fair Labour perfected this process thanks to Alastair Campbell.

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by xadhominemx »

Mandelmus wrote: post #64
xadhominemx wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s because the ethnicity of a criminal is usually not a relevant detail. It is not similar to the Japanese media hiding the motive of the assassination.

> That’s because the ethnicity of a criminal is usually not a relevant detail. That’s a big assumption rooted in a moral framework rather than in objective science.

In a news report about an individual crime?

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by pppq »

numpad0 wrote: post #47
Herodotus38 wrote: post #4

The article ends implying the Japanese media is wrong by downplaying and leaving out the name of the church, but when I was reading more on wikipedia about the Unification Church they referenced this article from the media, which I will need to translate but would seem to refute this: https://gendai.ismedia.jp/articles/-/97322 For those who are in Japan is that a good take by the author of the submitted article? Is (…

Naming a cult on media is a taboo in Japan, for fear of retaliations and verbal abuses than as common courtesy. There even used to be a P2P app called Perfect Dark, known in a... different... name early on, so as to make it 'immune to police prosecution'. Eventually the name changed to what it is, and stories of police working on it did start appearing. That was 2010s.

What was the previous name of Perfect Dark?

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by permo-w »

pyinstallwoes wrote: post #59
achow wrote: post #55

TL;DR Shinzo Abe was associated with a religious group 'Church of Unification'... that motivated Tetsuya Yamagami to target and kill Shinzo Abe. Yamagami told investigators that he blamed a “religious group” (i.e. the Unification Church) for inducing his mother to donate so much money that it bankrupted the family. He initially prepared to kill a church leader, but gave up after deciding it was too difficult. Yamagam…

Isn’t this nearly identical to the real life events journaled by a reporter in Tokyo from the 90s? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokyo_Vice

besides being about crime in Japan, I can't see any similarities in the article

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by pppq »

achow wrote: post #55

TL;DR Shinzo Abe was associated with a religious group 'Church of Unification'... that motivated Tetsuya Yamagami to target and kill Shinzo Abe. Yamagami told investigators that he blamed a “religious group” (i.e. the Unification Church) for inducing his mother to donate so much money that it bankrupted the family. He initially prepared to kill a church leader, but gave up after deciding it was too difficult. Yamagam…

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