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Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by nverno » Sun, Jul 10, 2022, 8:56 AM UTC

guerrilla wrote: post #49

thematrixturtle wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not about "licenses to exist", but access to the press clubs (kisha clubs). Basically, if the government doesn't like what you print/say, you get frozen out the clubs and hence out of all government news. https://freespeechdebate.com/discuss/an-impregnable-fortress...

This is the same in every country, including the US where entire agencies will just stop talking to you if you piss them off (especially police departments.) It's one of the ways we get all this propaganda even though we have a nominally "free" press.

It's not "the same" at all. It's a matter of degrees, which make a huge difference.

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by asveikau » Sun, Jul 10, 2022, 8:59 AM UTC

mellosouls wrote: post #48

Why the Japanese media has refused to identify the ‘religious group’ that formed the motive for the killing must remain as speculation at this juncture, though it reflects very poorly on Japan’s status as a democratic nation. It is quite striking in the UK and US how mainstream media will be remarkably coy about identifying the cultural background of some criminals while straight off the bat into condemnatory opinion…

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Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by guerrilla » Sun, Jul 10, 2022, 9:01 AM UTC

nverno wrote: post #51

guerrilla wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the same in every country, including the US where entire agencies will just stop talking to you if you piss them off (especially police departments.) It's one of the ways we get all this propaganda even though we have a nominally "free" press.

It's not "the same" at all. It's a matter of degrees, which make a huge difference.

It's no different at all. You'll be excluded from press clubs and conferences just the same. Identical situation.

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by [deleted] » Sun, Jul 10, 2022, 9:01 AM UTC

jsnk wrote: post #13

I would like to wait more for more information. This speculation seems incomplete and premature, and in the end, likely, inaccurate. Political assassinations rarely stem from one particular situation or event, but accumulation of beliefs and world view over a long period of time. He may stated his disdain for Abe to be his connection with the religious organization, but that can easily be just one of many reasons tha…

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Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by achow » Sun, Jul 10, 2022, 9:03 AM UTC

TL;DR

Shinzo Abe was associated with a religious group 'Church of Unification'... that motivated Tetsuya Yamagami to target and kill Shinzo Abe.

Yamagami told investigators that he blamed a “religious group” (i.e. the Unification Church) for inducing his mother to donate so much money that it bankrupted the family. He initially prepared to kill a church leader, but gave up after deciding it was too difficult. Yamagami then turned his focus on Abe, whom he was aware promoted the church at some level.

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by xadhominemx » Sun, Jul 10, 2022, 9:03 AM UTC

mellosouls wrote: post #48

Why the Japanese media has refused to identify the ‘religious group’ that formed the motive for the killing must remain as speculation at this juncture, though it reflects very poorly on Japan’s status as a democratic nation. It is quite striking in the UK and US how mainstream media will be remarkably coy about identifying the cultural background of some criminals while straight off the bat into condemnatory opinion…

That’s because the ethnicity of a criminal is usually not a relevant detail. It is not similar to the Japanese media hiding the motive of the assassination.

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by archerx » Sun, Jul 10, 2022, 9:05 AM UTC

asveikau wrote: post #52

mellosouls wrote: post #48

Why the Japanese media has refused to identify the ‘religious group’ that formed the motive for the killing must remain as speculation at this juncture, though it reflects very poorly on Japan’s status as a democratic nation. It is quite striking in the UK and US how mainstream media will be remarkably coy about identifying the cultural background of some criminals while straight off the bat into condemnatory opinion…

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Maybe he wants everyone to be treated equally and not be treated differently based on their race in the news. I know it’s shocking concept to most people.

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by nverno » Sun, Jul 10, 2022, 9:05 AM UTC

guerrilla wrote: post #53

nverno wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not "the same" at all. It's a matter of degrees, which make a huge difference.

It's no different at all. You'll be excluded from press clubs and conferences just the same. Identical situation.

You can piss people/agencies off anywhere, true. But, the bar for what is expected to be tolerable behavior/reporting is vastly different.

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by pyinstallwoes » Sun, Jul 10, 2022, 9:05 AM UTC

achow wrote: post #55

TL;DR Shinzo Abe was associated with a religious group 'Church of Unification'... that motivated Tetsuya Yamagami to target and kill Shinzo Abe. Yamagami told investigators that he blamed a “religious group” (i.e. the Unification Church) for inducing his mother to donate so much money that it bankrupted the family. He initially prepared to kill a church leader, but gave up after deciding it was too difficult. Yamagam…

Isn’t this nearly identical to the real life events journaled by a reporter in Tokyo from the 90s? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokyo_Vice

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by krapp » Sun, Jul 10, 2022, 9:09 AM UTC

lesstyzing wrote: post #45

m-ee wrote: post #19

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Even vile doesn't quite cover the scale of the horror, especially Unit 731 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crimes_in_Manchukuo

I read the Unit 731 Wikipedia page recently and almost wished I hadn’t. Im surprised I’d never heard about it and neither had any of my friends. Not that it’s a competition, but some of the atrocities I read about on that page were worse than any other World War atrocity I know and it seems like it’s just been swept under the rug.

It's swept under the rug because the US pardoned many of the the perpetrators (such as Shiro Ishii) in exchange for data about their experiments, which were then continued under the US biological weapons program, and projects like MKULTRA.