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Amazon is intimidating and harassing organizing workers in Montreal

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Re: Amazon is intimidating and harassing organizing workers in Montreal

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Post by 5350-uiop-1130 »

jmyeet wrote: post #6

It's a testament to how effective propaganda can be when you see how easily you can get people to vote against their own interests. It's crazy to me that anyone who works in these Amazon warehouses votes agains tunionization but they do [1]. Even in the successful vote, there were still a lot of "no" votes. Unionization in the US is the lowest of all OECD nations (~10%) [2]. Is it any wonder US workers don't get paid…

Yes, but you could buy an Xbox for the same cost as your union fees :)

https://www.tampabay.com/blogs/2019/05/11/join-a-union-or-bu...

Re: Amazon is intimidating and harassing organizing workers in Montreal

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Post by 5350-uiop-1130 »

Closi wrote: post #37
djbebs wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would never join a union.

What's your job if you don't mind me asking? "I would never join a union" is a pretty easy thing to say if you are in a job with decent pay, a labour market that wants your skills, and have reasonably good working conditions.

>What's your job if you don't mind me asking?

Amazon warehouse manager.

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Post by Aissen »

chronofar wrote: post #45
geysersam wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whatever their interests are, they will be easier to achieve by unionizing. Not organizing only makes your interests irrelevant. That can hardly be in anyones own interests.

That is clearly too broad a brush. Collective bargaining is useful if your needs are aligned with the collective, if not they may be at best unhelpful and at worst actively counter productive (for instance if you have some personal circumstance you wanted to negotiate beyond the terms of the agreement, rather than negotiating with a boss or two you now have to negotiate with your representative organization). Not to…

> for instance if you have some personal circumstance you wanted to negotiate beyond the terms of the agreement, rather than negotiating with a boss or two you now have to negotiate with your representative organization

Why ? I don't think unions forbid any direct negotiation. Or this is a US-thing ?

Re: Amazon is intimidating and harassing organizing workers in Montreal

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Post by skeeter2020 »

andrepd wrote: post #17
hrdwdmrbl wrote: post #4

Note: this website often contains highly unreliable material and often publishes articles defending such things as the Berlin Wall.

Yes, imagine a website publishing opinion pieces with diverse viewpoints, some of which you find repulsive... I fail to see how that is relevant for this particular article.

Because it's not presented as an opinion from a single viewpoint but as news, which we expect (perhaps naively) to be balanced and have multiple viewpoints. That's the failure.

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Post by martimarkov »

skeeter2020 wrote: post #51

The linked piece is pretty biased, describing a text message and literature as "harassement"; have you seen the tatics the unions use to recruit and try to certify?

The law says the worker has the right to listen to the employer. If I get propaganda posters and text messages - do I still have that right or is that taken away from me? If it is taken away - harassment

Re: Amazon is intimidating and harassing organizing workers in Montreal

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Post by Jhjjjjjjjj »

onion_now wrote: post #52
djbebs wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would never join a union.

You'll be happy in one of the "right-to-work" states then. Wonder why they're hit the hardest by the "labor shortage?"

Because those states have the lowest unemployment?

Re: Amazon is intimidating and harassing organizing workers in Montreal

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Post by LatteLazy »

jmyeet wrote: post #6

It's a testament to how effective propaganda can be when you see how easily you can get people to vote against their own interests. It's crazy to me that anyone who works in these Amazon warehouses votes agains tunionization but they do [1]. Even in the successful vote, there were still a lot of "no" votes. Unionization in the US is the lowest of all OECD nations (~10%) [2]. Is it any wonder US workers don't get paid…

That really depends what the unions demands are and whether a worker thinks they are achievable or desirable. That's going to vary from location to location and from worker to worker. AFAIK, Amazon pays better than competitors assuming you can meet the work rates. If you can, you may well think that even higher pay is unlikely. And if the union is directly seeking things you are NOT willing to risk your job for (political campaigns for instance do nothing for me) then again, why vote yes?
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