The linked piece is pretty biased, describing a text message and literature as "harassement"; have you seen the tatics the unions use to recruit and try to certify?
Amazon is intimidating and harassing organizing workers in Montreal
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Re: Amazon is intimidating and harassing organizing workers in Montreal
#52It's a testament to how effective propaganda can be when you see how easily you can get people to vote against their own interests. It's crazy to me that anyone who works in these Amazon warehouses votes agains tunionization but they do [1]. Even in the successful vote, there were still a lot of "no" votes. Unionization in the US is the lowest of all OECD nations (~10%) [2]. Is it any wonder US workers don't get paid…
I would never join a union.
You'll be happy in one of the "right-to-work" states then. Wonder why they're hit the hardest by the "labor shortage?"
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I would never join a union.
What's your job if you don't mind me asking? "I would never join a union" is a pretty easy thing to say if you are in a job with decent pay, a labour market that wants your skills, and have reasonably good working conditions.
Maybe he's "Burt at OK4" ;) (for context https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-56581266 Amazon was/is? hiring people to pretend they're happy employees on social media)
Re: Amazon is intimidating and harassing organizing workers in Montreal
#54It's a testament to how effective propaganda can be when you see how easily you can get people to vote against their own interests. It's crazy to me that anyone who works in these Amazon warehouses votes agains tunionization but they do [1]. Even in the successful vote, there were still a lot of "no" votes. Unionization in the US is the lowest of all OECD nations (~10%) [2]. Is it any wonder US workers don't get paid…
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This. After my experiences at a union shop, I would never vote to unionize, seems to serve only to keep useless people around with management having to play hot potato with them as they're too hard to get rid of. Oh and as a bonus you get to pay for wasting half your day on useless people.
Re: Amazon is intimidating and harassing organizing workers in Montreal
#55It's a testament to how effective propaganda can be when you see how easily you can get people to vote against their own interests. It's crazy to me that anyone who works in these Amazon warehouses votes agains tunionization but they do [1]. Even in the successful vote, there were still a lot of "no" votes. Unionization in the US is the lowest of all OECD nations (~10%) [2]. Is it any wonder US workers don't get paid…
How is it in their interest when Amazon shuts that factory?
Re: Amazon is intimidating and harassing organizing workers in Montreal
#56It's a testament to how effective propaganda can be when you see how easily you can get people to vote against their own interests. It's crazy to me that anyone who works in these Amazon warehouses votes agains tunionization but they do [1]. Even in the successful vote, there were still a lot of "no" votes. Unionization in the US is the lowest of all OECD nations (~10%) [2]. Is it any wonder US workers don't get paid…
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Are you better negotiating alone against a big corporation? It seems that you are overestimating your personal bargain power. (And maybe overestimating your own ability)
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> Even in the successful vote, there were still a lot of "no" votes. I'm gonna steelman those no votes. BigCos don't like unions to the point they can and sometimes do close the place/warehouse alltogether. This is worse than working in non-union shop, especially in economically depressed area.
Or, you know, you could have sane laws that make that kind of behaviour illegal.
Germany in theory has laws against that. But this still happens - the problem is that you can’t just make “close warehouse” illegal and then things come down to what you can and cannot prove about the motivations of the company. And that’s often hard.
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Could you please elaborate in what way exactly the union "binds you to lowest performing co-worker"? As it stands your accusation is both vague and a classic anti-union scaremongering buzzword.
Propaganda seems to work, then.
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#59It's a testament to how effective propaganda can be when you see how easily you can get people to vote against their own interests. It's crazy to me that anyone who works in these Amazon warehouses votes agains tunionization but they do [1]. Even in the successful vote, there were still a lot of "no" votes. Unionization in the US is the lowest of all OECD nations (~10%) [2]. Is it any wonder US workers don't get paid…
Some vote no because they fear retaliation if the vote fails.
Or they fear Amazon leaving
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Whatever their interests are, they will be easier to achieve by unionizing. Not organizing only makes your interests irrelevant. That can hardly be in anyones own interests.
I realize mine is not necessarily a majority experience, but as a young single no-debt high-performing worker, I can negotiate a lot more effectively by myself than I could in a union because I can argue purely on my own merits and if the employer is unreasonable (and not all are) it's fairly easy for me to switch employers. I even moved to a different country early in my career for a better career opportunity. So no…
You can still negotiate and be in a union. Nobody takes that away from you. The union negotiates minimal conditions for all like minimal wage. You are a top performer - go the exact route you've described - nobody will stop you. It can work or not as you've said and the solution would be to find a new job.