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Re: I/O 2022

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Post by akira_f »

cogman10 wrote: post #20
lkxijlewlf wrote: post #11

I popped in for a few minutes to verify something. I'm ... over this whole annual what's new presentation stuff. I just don't care anymore. And honestly the three presenters I saw didn't even seem like they rehearsed at all. They just read from the prompter and tried to put excitement in their voice at the same time and it just fell flat.

They've become really disappointing. When Google IO started it was a nice fun tech presentation with a lot of side classes showing devs how to work with these new google technologies. Now, it's mostly just google introducing new products to the press.

For that dev part they have the developer keynote. Google just gave away many online training classes for free, which includes many many hands on coding labs.

Re: I/O 2022

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Post by SemanticStrengh »

onphonenow wrote: post #59
rpmisms wrote: post #50

Pixel 6a dropped the headphone jack. Great. Gotta find another brand now.

It's been kind of funny to see folks criticize apple, then when their product cycle catches up copy them :) This has been like clockwork for a number of companies, starting with the move from keyboards to glass etc. For me the lighting jack on the iphones actually has fantastic latency. Does anyone know how that works? Much better than USB-C (ie, you can use as a monitor for a multi-track recoding very comfortably)

You make it sound it's true but it's misleading, the critics was because apple users were the beta testers. Letting plenty of time for the industry( headphones, etc) and users to adapt for their Android phone

Re: I/O 2022

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Post by magicalist »

anon23anon wrote: post #57
izzydata wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think Apple, Samsung and Google should give up on this whole iPhone 13 and Pixel 6 naming and numbering scheme and stop pretending like it is going to be an exciting brand new product every single year. They should name them more like cars where you can always expect there to be the latest revision each year, but you never expect it to be something completely new that you need to upgrade to. We need the iPhone (202…

Yea cars have this notion of model years. Everyone knows nothing really changes between model years except the trim. It's the vehicle generation you care about. I think the focus should be on holding press conferences when you genuinely have something new to show off otherwise it's just fluff.

Car companies do have press events every year for their yearly product updates, it's just that everyone who doesn't care just doesn't pay attention.

Re: I/O 2022

#65

Post by SemanticStrengh »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #49
indy wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no hype because they don't have anything to show that deserves hype. It's all the same: AI to improve photos, AI to improve translations and small iterative improvements to Android that you swear were shown at a Google IO event years ago Edit: watching the livestream and they've just announced an Android tablet! Honestly this déjà vu is getting ridiculous

When are they going to announce "Corporate restructuring with a focus on product dedication"...

It's so consensual it's screamingly obvious and yet Google isn't aware.

Re: I/O 2022

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Post by hobofan »

izzydata wrote: post #46
lkxijlewlf wrote: post #11

I popped in for a few minutes to verify something. I'm ... over this whole annual what's new presentation stuff. I just don't care anymore. And honestly the three presenters I saw didn't even seem like they rehearsed at all. They just read from the prompter and tried to put excitement in their voice at the same time and it just fell flat.

I think Apple, Samsung and Google should give up on this whole iPhone 13 and Pixel 6 naming and numbering scheme and stop pretending like it is going to be an exciting brand new product every single year. They should name them more like cars where you can always expect there to be the latest revision each year, but you never expect it to be something completely new that you need to upgrade to. We need the iPhone (202…

> iPhone 13 and Pixel 6

I think the fact that they are in those high numbers already shows that they "stopped pretending like it is going to be an exciting brand new product every single year". The numbering there is pretty straightforward compared to e.g. the Macbook namings, or the convoluted naming of other brands with stacked variation signifiers, like the "Xiaomi 11 lite 5G NE".

Re: I/O 2022

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Post by rpmisms »

onphonenow wrote: post #59
rpmisms wrote: post #50

Pixel 6a dropped the headphone jack. Great. Gotta find another brand now.

It's been kind of funny to see folks criticize apple, then when their product cycle catches up copy them :) This has been like clockwork for a number of companies, starting with the move from keyboards to glass etc. For me the lighting jack on the iphones actually has fantastic latency. Does anyone know how that works? Much better than USB-C (ie, you can use as a monitor for a multi-track recoding very comfortably)

Apple writes their own audio drivers for very specific hardware is how it works. It's very annoying, because there's so many amazing music apps that just couldn't work on Android. I just want a headphone jack or a simple way to use wired headphones.

Re: I/O 2022

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Post by adamrezich »

SemanticStrengh wrote: post #60
valbaca wrote: post #19

Multiple mentions of "skin tone" and AI. Did they really mess up skin tone recognition that bad that they needed three different solutions to it? (I feel like I missed some major fuckup on their end) https://blog.google/products/assistant/assistant-io-2022/ https://blog.google/products/search/monk-skin-tone-scale/ https://blog.google/technology/research/ai-monk-scale-skin-t...

So much hypocrisy going on. If fighting racism was the goal Unicode should not have added skin colored emojis. This is the dumbest move ever.

I will never understand why emoji, the whole point of which is to convey universal emotions (and other icons), ever needed skin tone modifiers at all. why do "thumbs up" and "thumbs up, but i'm white btw" need to be encoded differently? why is everyone OK with Native Americans and other ethnicities with reddish skin tones being excluded? just a complete mess top-to-bottom, and now we can basically never undo it.

imagine trying to explain to aliens from another planet 500 years from now why 500 years ago we decided to a.) include skin tone modifiers to begin with and b.) only allow for the gradation of skin colors that we do. beyond ridiculous.

EDIT: I forgot to mention how insanely ridiculous it is that we have these skin tone modifiers, but they don't even work for all "people" emoji, because of the obvious issue of rendering cartoon human faces in a way that isn't considered a racist caricature for many races. this makes sense of course, but I can't understand why, when this argument came up, they didn't just choose to scrap the whole idea instead of implementing it and restricting it to a subset of "people" emoji.

Re: I/O 2022

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Post by systemvoltage »

staunch wrote: post #44
systemvoltage wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t like to gush over any leader and stop stuffing words in my mouth. I’m stating the “era” (2000-2010) keynotes were super fun, original and exciting. W̶h̶a̶t̶’̶s̶ ̶w̶i̶t̶h̶ ̶s̶o̶ ̶m̶u̶c̶h̶ ̶h̶o̶s̶t̶i̶l̶i̶t̶y̶? (You've edited your comment, thanks).

> What’s with so much hostility? There's a popular and cynical meme that people like Steve Jobs and Elon Musk are just marketing bullshitters that don't actually do anything useful. It's laughably false and easily disproved. And yet it seems to comfort cynical/pessimistic/unhappy/ignorant people, of which many exist, and so it prevails.

Hmm, weird, I find Steve Jobs and Musk truly inspiring.

Re: I/O 2022

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Post by elpakal »

filmgirlcw wrote: post #58
retskrad wrote: post #2

Google is working on some interesting stuff but their live events aren’t doing them any favors. There’s no hype leading up to them and the events themselves are dull as hell. Google currently has only 40k people watching the live event. Apple WWDC events attract 10X as many concurrent viewers.

> Apple WWDC events attract 10X as many concurrent viewers Apple does the best job of anyone in the industry (imho) of building awareness and excitement over their events, developer or otherwise, but I think it is important to note that the WWDC keynotes (not the State of the Union), are also treated as proper consumer-facing product events, not just a developer keynote. As such, the audience is going to be much larg…

Good point about the keynote - I think that’s why this year’s WWDC is basically just that for in person (++SOTU)
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