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Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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This war has proven that as long as national interests are strong enough, those economical ties most likely won't last..which is a scary precedent for Europe in general.

Russia has a lot of special characteristics which most other European states lack: (1) huge population and area; (2) permanent member of UN Security Council; (3) accepted nuclear weapons state with one of world’s largest nuclear arsenals; (4) superpower with a massive multi-decade empire only 3-4 decades ago. Few other European states have any or all of these characteristics; UK and France probably come the closest,…

It is also number one country of corruption (not that corruption doesn't exist elsewhere as well)

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Nobody expected Russia to suddenly try to seize all of Ukraine. It went from nothing to suddenly surrounding the country in weeks, and even then people called the Biden admin nuts for saying Russia was going to do it. Then they did it. Nobody expected sanctions that cut Russia off from the world to an extent comparable only to North Korea. It's just something that people didn't imagine could happen to modern economie…

But it creates window of parallel systems. And it may end up weakening West control of global financial system. People think that by doing that Russia will suddenly leave Ukraine but they are not realising that that won't happen.

May.

But Russia's only export of value is gas.

Get China and India to go all-in on renewables, while getting a soft agreement with them that future gas purchases from Russia will cost them in other ways, and the question is who would want to join Russia's parallel system?

Didn't say my suggestion is easy or likely or without risk. It would take some really careful diplomacy.

but it is feasible.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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As far as I understood, their electricity contract did not expire, or at least that was not explicitly mentioned. The transfer company, which now cut them from the grid, was their electricity seller until the end of 2021, and from the beginning of 2022 they had another seller provide them electricity, but that has ended for reasons unknown. > "Hänen mukaansa aiemmin sähköä myi Yandexille Nivos Energia, mutta sopimus…

You're correct, though I wonder what the reason could be other than expiring. Thinking out loud, maybe they've had trouble paying due to money transfer issues between Finland and Russia. In any case it's not directly due to any sanctions as the company is not sanctioned.

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Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Which part you find unprecendented?

Nobody expected Russia to suddenly try to seize all of Ukraine. It went from nothing to suddenly surrounding the country in weeks, and even then people called the Biden admin nuts for saying Russia was going to do it. Then they did it. Nobody expected sanctions that cut Russia off from the world to an extent comparable only to North Korea. It's just something that people didn't imagine could happen to modern economie…

> It went from nothing

There was a previous "bulling", that escalated later, as it always do. Both countries were in a war for Crimea since 2014, but I agree with your idea that it was unlikely.

What is really scary is that it takes so few people to put by now four countries in war (five if we count Georgia) in the middle or Europe, and trigger the events that drag the rest by inertia. Zillions of working hours to avoid exactly this, and it only takes one old man with obvious principles of dementia that denies all every single time like a child. This and less than 1000 helpers against 500 millions of people is all that we need to return to 1940.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Russia has a lot of special characteristics which most other European states lack: (1) huge population and area; (2) permanent member of UN Security Council; (3) accepted nuclear weapons state with one of world’s largest nuclear arsenals; (4) superpower with a massive multi-decade empire only 3-4 decades ago. Few other European states have any or all of these characteristics; UK and France probably come the closest,…

Huge population!? Not even twice bigger than Germany. Area is huge. As natural resources lying all over the place. They all could live like princes in Dubai, but made a different choice. They have nuclear weapons for sure, but I wouldn’t like to speculate about their maintenance and availability.

> Huge population!? Not even twice bigger than Germany.

They can easily fix that by annexing former SSSR territories (about 230 million)

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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post #53

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Russia has a lot of special characteristics which most other European states lack: (1) huge population and area; (2) permanent member of UN Security Council; (3) accepted nuclear weapons state with one of world’s largest nuclear arsenals; (4) superpower with a massive multi-decade empire only 3-4 decades ago. Few other European states have any or all of these characteristics; UK and France probably come the closest,…

Huge population!? Not even twice bigger than Germany. Area is huge. As natural resources lying all over the place. They all could live like princes in Dubai, but made a different choice. They have nuclear weapons for sure, but I wouldn’t like to speculate about their maintenance and availability.

Germany has the biggest population in EU, so twice of that is rather huge.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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There was war in Ukraine since 2014 - ever since they refused to become another Belarus. I agree that many people underestimated Russian threat, but them expanding is not really unprecedented. I think that one reason why it flopped that quickly is that Russia was creating precedents of what it is going to do around for years. So it became impossible to ignore.

And the ongoing precedent was that Russia could snip off chunks of any country they like and at worst they'd face very limited sanctions. Taking a whole country at once in mainland Europe and having its economy completely isolated within a span of weeks was about as predictable as a magnitude 9.0 earthquake. Nobody was prepared, and no preparation would've been sufficient no matter what.

No, after Crimea, there was widespread expectation Russia will try to take more. Not least in Ukraine itself, which led to the military preparations there that have made it so expensive for Russia.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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post #53

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Russia has a lot of special characteristics which most other European states lack: (1) huge population and area; (2) permanent member of UN Security Council; (3) accepted nuclear weapons state with one of world’s largest nuclear arsenals; (4) superpower with a massive multi-decade empire only 3-4 decades ago. Few other European states have any or all of these characteristics; UK and France probably come the closest,…

Huge population!? Not even twice bigger than Germany. Area is huge. As natural resources lying all over the place. They all could live like princes in Dubai, but made a different choice. They have nuclear weapons for sure, but I wouldn’t like to speculate about their maintenance and availability.

> Huge population!? Not even twice bigger than Germany

Germany also has a huge population, especially by European standards, even if somewhat less huge than Russia’s. Both Germany and Russia are outliers, being in some ways far from the European average. What makes Russia much more distinctive, is in how many different ways it is an outlier - arguably in a fair few more ways than contemporary Germany is, which makes it a much bigger outlier overall.

> They have nuclear weapons for sure, but I wouldn’t like to speculate about their maintenance and availability.

For a decent-sized nation state, nuclear weapons aren’t actually that hard to manufacture and maintain and deliver, especially if they aim at basic functionality and aren’t trying to be on the cutting edge. The biggest obstacles for most such countries are (1) the rest of the world will try to stop them through sanctions, clandestine operations, even military action; (2) if you don’t have domestic uranium deposits, it is very hard to buy uranium for military use, all major sellers will insist you promise to use it for civilian purposes only and submit to regular inspections to prove that. As an accepted nuclear weapons state, Russia doesn’t have to worry about (1); Russia also has substantial uranium reserves and is one of the world’s leading uranium exporters, so it doesn’t have to worry about (2) either. So I think Russia’s nuclear arsenal is likely to be reliable and usable.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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I would like to know why Yandex though that opening data centers in western counties would be a good idea. Surely they knew that, as a Russian company, if their government ever becomes aggressive, they'll also be targeted by sanctions.

On paper they are a Dutch company.

Western governments have suddenly awoken and are now willing to follow trails of paper if necessary. This one isn’t too hard to follow since even you and I know it’s a Russian company.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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A lot of housing in Sweden is heated using left over heat from the industry (“spillvärme”). The industries actually rely on this for cooling. From what I hear, it’s usually pretty expensive compared to ground/air-to-water heat pumps (1 SEK vs 0.4 SEK per kWh of heat)

> The industries actually rely on this for cooling. And what if the housing gets too hot? Does industry stop because of overheating during hot months? > it’s usually pretty expensive So why do people heat that way? Is it legislated into existence? Why? To reduce global warming?

I'm guessing the heat pump cost is only the cost of electricity (which can vary as well) and not the cost of the pump
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