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Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by danuker »

brtkdotse wrote: post #26
changoplatanero wrote: post #6

How hot does waste heat from data centers get? Is it up to 100 degrees Fahrenheit? Seems like it would be difficult to efficiently transport that heat into nearby homes.

A lot of housing in Sweden is heated using left over heat from the industry (“spillvärme”). The industries actually rely on this for cooling. From what I hear, it’s usually pretty expensive compared to ground/air-to-water heat pumps (1 SEK vs 0.4 SEK per kWh of heat)

> The industries actually rely on this for cooling.

And what if the housing gets too hot? Does industry stop because of overheating during hot months?

> it’s usually pretty expensive

So why do people heat that way? Is it legislated into existence? Why? To reduce global warming?

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by watwut »

grapeskin wrote: post #38
watwut wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which part you find unprecendented?

Nobody expected Russia to suddenly try to seize all of Ukraine. It went from nothing to suddenly surrounding the country in weeks, and even then people called the Biden admin nuts for saying Russia was going to do it. Then they did it. Nobody expected sanctions that cut Russia off from the world to an extent comparable only to North Korea. It's just something that people didn't imagine could happen to modern economie…

There was war in Ukraine since 2014 - ever since they refused to become another Belarus. I agree that many people underestimated Russian threat, but them expanding is not really unprecedented.

I think that one reason why it flopped that quickly is that Russia was creating precedents of what it is going to do around for years. So it became impossible to ignore.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by toast0 »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #3

I would like to know why Yandex though that opening data centers in western counties would be a good idea. Surely they knew that, as a Russian company, if their government ever becomes aggressive, they'll also be targeted by sanctions.

As a Russian company having assets outside of Russia is probably good for business continuity in case they need to leave Russia on short notice.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by Ndymium »

Hamuko wrote: post #36
Ndymium wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep, their electricity sales contract ~~expired~~ (EDIT: ended for unspecified reasons) and they don't have a new contract. Their electricity transfer contract is still valid because their Finnish company is not a part of sanctions. (Electricity sales and transfer is separate in Finland.) When they get a new electricity sales contract, then the transfer company will reconnect power. I think the only matter here relat…

As far as I understood, their electricity contract did not expire, or at least that was not explicitly mentioned. The transfer company, which now cut them from the grid, was their electricity seller until the end of 2021, and from the beginning of 2022 they had another seller provide them electricity, but that has ended for reasons unknown. > "Hänen mukaansa aiemmin sähköä myi Yandexille Nivos Energia, mutta sopimus…

You're correct, though I wonder what the reason could be other than expiring. Thinking out loud, maybe they've had trouble paying due to money transfer issues between Finland and Russia. In any case it's not directly due to any sanctions as the company is not sanctioned.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by grapeskin »

watwut wrote: post #42
grapeskin wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody expected Russia to suddenly try to seize all of Ukraine. It went from nothing to suddenly surrounding the country in weeks, and even then people called the Biden admin nuts for saying Russia was going to do it. Then they did it. Nobody expected sanctions that cut Russia off from the world to an extent comparable only to North Korea. It's just something that people didn't imagine could happen to modern economie…

There was war in Ukraine since 2014 - ever since they refused to become another Belarus. I agree that many people underestimated Russian threat, but them expanding is not really unprecedented. I think that one reason why it flopped that quickly is that Russia was creating precedents of what it is going to do around for years. So it became impossible to ignore.

And the ongoing precedent was that Russia could snip off chunks of any country they like and at worst they'd face very limited sanctions.

Taking a whole country at once in mainland Europe and having its economy completely isolated within a span of weeks was about as predictable as a magnitude 9.0 earthquake. Nobody was prepared, and no preparation would've been sufficient no matter what.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by skissane »

fosk wrote: post #35
riffraff wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it's worth noting that the whole EU starting from the earlier european communities was built on such an idea that tighter and tighter integration would make war unlikely (and in some cases, unthinkable). While this didn't work out for the Russian relationship, it wasn't a totally stupid plan.

This war has proven that as long as national interests are strong enough, those economical ties most likely won't last..which is a scary precedent for Europe in general.

Russia has a lot of special characteristics which most other European states lack: (1) huge population and area; (2) permanent member of UN Security Council; (3) accepted nuclear weapons state with one of world’s largest nuclear arsenals; (4) superpower with a massive multi-decade empire only 3-4 decades ago. Few other European states have any or all of these characteristics; UK and France probably come the closest, yet the idea of either of them emulating Russia seems rather implausible. In short, just because the strategy failed for Russia, doesn’t really disprove the strategy in general, given Russia is such a special case.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by akvadrako »

grapeskin wrote: post #38
watwut wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which part you find unprecendented?

Nobody expected Russia to suddenly try to seize all of Ukraine. It went from nothing to suddenly surrounding the country in weeks, and even then people called the Biden admin nuts for saying Russia was going to do it. Then they did it. Nobody expected sanctions that cut Russia off from the world to an extent comparable only to North Korea. It's just something that people didn't imagine could happen to modern economie…

You are mostly right except saying it came from nothing. It was a major escalation but they've been occupying Ukraine for years.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by markvdb »

ivan_gammel wrote: post #30
megous wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which years?

In his first term he delivered a number of useful economic reforms with a team of liberal economists. Taxes, land ownership, banking, bankruptcy etc. The economic block in the government remains very professional and impartial even now. The only thing Russia really needed to become a normal state was to reform judicial branch, police and security services.

> The economic block in the government remains very professional and impartial even now.

Professional, yes.

Impartial, no. Complicit is the word.

Re: Yandex data center in Finland loses power due to contract termination

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Post by ejanus »

grapeskin wrote: post #38
watwut wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which part you find unprecendented?

Nobody expected Russia to suddenly try to seize all of Ukraine. It went from nothing to suddenly surrounding the country in weeks, and even then people called the Biden admin nuts for saying Russia was going to do it. Then they did it. Nobody expected sanctions that cut Russia off from the world to an extent comparable only to North Korea. It's just something that people didn't imagine could happen to modern economie…

But it creates window of parallel systems. And it may end up weakening West control of global financial system. People think that by doing that Russia will suddenly leave Ukraine but they are not realising that that won't happen.
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