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Last Day of IKEA in Moscow

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Re: Last Day of IKEA in Moscow

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Go visit the homepage of this newspaper. It's crazy, there's no clear reference to war or attacks. This article on Ikea is just an attempt to tell the desperation without breaking the censorship law.

They do a great share here: https://novayagazeta.ru/articles/2022/03/01/o-rabote-v-uslov...

Where they explain what "fake news", according to the governement, is.

Re: Last Day of IKEA in Moscow

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I was also surprised by this. I find it absolutely crazy. The reason is that just few days ago the parliament of Russia introduced a law on "fakes about Russian army" with 15 years in prison penalty. What is "fake" is not defined so anyone for any statement about the war could be put in prison. Ah yes, people are also forbidden to call this a war, an agression or an invasion. You may say that there are other outlets…

People from the west may say: well yes, our media is biased also. And that is true, but direction of this bias is different for each media outlet, so by watching something else you can find discrepancies and inconsistencies. While in Russia all tv, radio, newspapers are government controlled, so they put the same fake and propaganda which due to lack of anything else (all blocked) yields brain washing on a whole coun…

Yes, I’ll just watch something else.

https://youtu.be/_fHfgU8oMSo

Re: Last Day of IKEA in Moscow

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

People from the west may say: well yes, our media is biased also. And that is true, but direction of this bias is different for each media outlet, so by watching something else you can find discrepancies and inconsistencies. While in Russia all tv, radio, newspapers are government controlled, so they put the same fake and propaganda which due to lack of anything else (all blocked) yields brain washing on a whole coun…

Yes, I’ll just watch something else. https://youtu.be/_fHfgU8oMSo

You don't get it. In the US you can watch something else, despite the oversized influence of media conglomerates.

Re: Last Day of IKEA in Moscow

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It could be but they need to be primed for it already. How did the US not selling drones to Turkey made Turkey a drone superpower? Well, Turkey already had a large engineering talent pool and related industries, therefore US not selling drones to Turkey was an opportunity. Does Russia already have a talent base or flourishing industries for all the stuff they are being denied? I find it unlikely, it's a common proble…

>What is the last innovation, art or product that came out of Russia and change the world? Maybe Telegram? It has 500 million monthly active users.

Sure, they also have Yandex and VK and some other stuff but even if they are successful almost none of it is groundbreaking or leading whole industries ahead. If TikTok was Russian, I would have said that they significantly improved content discovery and content consumption maybe.

However, this does show that if all Meta and Google is banned, they will be fine. Is it going to be the same for other stuff though? Like the IKEA stuff? Like civil aviation?

Re: Last Day of IKEA in Moscow

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What I'm curious about all the sanctions is what if Russia changes? Say Putin quits or is killed and the replacement withdraws from Ukraine. Are we back on again?

For me the line to cross would be that Russia gives up their nuclear arms. They have shown that they are willing to use these for extortion rather than as a last means of defense, which I think should be enough to cause them to have to give these up.

Re: Last Day of IKEA in Moscow

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These photos kind of perfectly sum up just how bizarre the situation is.

Sadly, it seems more russians are concerned about not getting a BILLY than standing up to Putin.

It's easy to point the finger when you're not the one facing the very real threat of 15 years in a Russian prison.

Re: Last Day of IKEA in Moscow

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was also surprised by this. I find it absolutely crazy. The reason is that just few days ago the parliament of Russia introduced a law on "fakes about Russian army" with 15 years in prison penalty. What is "fake" is not defined so anyone for any statement about the war could be put in prison. Ah yes, people are also forbidden to call this a war, an agression or an invasion. You may say that there are other outlets…

People from the west may say: well yes, our media is biased also. And that is true, but direction of this bias is different for each media outlet, so by watching something else you can find discrepancies and inconsistencies. While in Russia all tv, radio, newspapers are government controlled, so they put the same fake and propaganda which due to lack of anything else (all blocked) yields brain washing on a whole coun…

Western media bias works by using selective reporting and omission, plus artful mixing of fact and opinion. It doesn’t too often make up outright bare-faced lies like we see coming from the Russian government.

Re: Last Day of IKEA in Moscow

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They say every crisis is an opportunity. This could be a great opportunity for Russian owned brands to establish themselves and thrive later when the crisis is hopefully resolved.

Provided they are vertically integrated and own the entire supply chain. Otherwise they will find that planes not flying in/out and container ships not delivering will make it hard to import anything at scale. Not that they could pay for goods anyway. Also I suspect China may use its new found leverage to flood the Russian market with their goods.

This whole thing makes me question the western/NATO motives of not pursuing de-escalation. Wouldn’t agreeing to Putin’s NATO non expansion terms be better than letting your economic competitor to basically establish monopoly on the entire Russian economic atmosphere?
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