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Re: Add 10 GbE to your system with an M.2 2280 module

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Post by sjagoe »

ThePadawan wrote: post #33
vardump wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Getting stuck to 1 Gbps is somewhat crazy, as even the slowest laptop and PC M.2 SSDs can do 10-20 Gbps easy. Fastest ones 50 Gbps+. But I guess most people don't transfer files in their local networks anymore and use their network purely for internet access.

I rent an apartment in a building that was erected around 2015. They laid an ethernet connection... with a 100Mbps bandwidth limit. Some people just don't care.

Are the ports in pairs at each location? Then it sounds like they did a Very Bad Thing and ran one cable per pair of ports; 100Mbps uses two pairs, so why use two cables when one cable has four pairs, right? :( I've seen that a lot in much older installations, but I'd expect better from 2015 construction.

I'm busy retrofitting Ethernet in my house by pulling cat6 through the walls and pulling out the old cat3 phone cabling. It's much harder work doing two cables (not least because none of the phone cables were in conduit, so it just starts off harder already) for each pair of ports, but it's very much worth the effort.

Re: Add 10 GbE to your system with an M.2 2280 module

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Post by k8sToGo »

vladvasiliu wrote: post #23
glogla wrote: post #14

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NAS with SSD can go way faster than the ~ 120 MB/s 1GbE can offer. For NAS with HDD, the benefit is not as big but still there. Also, the main competition is WiFi which is significantly slower than 1GbE in most cases.

Well, seeing how large SSDs are still very expensive (in my mind it's €100 / TB), my hunch would be that if it makes sense for you to spend that much money on the drives, you probably won't really notice the price of a couple of 10 Gb network cards. They seem quite cheap on eBay if you're OK with used.

It is not the cards that are that expensive. It is also the switches etc.

Also SSD are not 100 EUR / TB. A 4 TB SSD is like 300 EUR.

Re: Add 10 GbE to your system with an M.2 2280 module

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Post by social_quotient »

panda88888 wrote: post #60
martinald wrote: post #9

It's interesting to see just how slow faster ethernet standards have been. Feels like I've had gigabit ethernet at a pretty low cost for nearly 20 years now, but faster than that has been pretty esoteric outside of the datacentre. I guess there really isn't much demand for faster than gigabit speeds even now (outside of servers?)

I have gigabit internet (downstream only... hoping for fiber one day for symmetric up/down), and I run wired gigabit ethernet for desktops and fixed devices to free up the wifi. For 99% everyday use it works just fine. Externally I hit 80+ MB/s on internet download (aggregate, very few sites saturate my downstream bandwidth), and internally I hit 90+ MB/s to and from my NAS. The only time I wish it was faster is when…

I’ve got google fiber 1 gig up and down. It’s plenty fast for external content but internally I’ve been annoyed at the network perf to my NAS so I got a secondary network card just to go from desktop to Nas at 10GbE speeds and it’s been great and it skips the need to overhaul the entire network stack.

Re: Add 10 GbE to your system with an M.2 2280 module

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Post by dtech »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #20
martinald wrote: post #9

It's interesting to see just how slow faster ethernet standards have been. Feels like I've had gigabit ethernet at a pretty low cost for nearly 20 years now, but faster than that has been pretty esoteric outside of the datacentre. I guess there really isn't much demand for faster than gigabit speeds even now (outside of servers?)

It's kind of chicken and egg. It's not worth buying a 10G switch when all or nearly all of your devices are gigabit and it's not worth buying 10G cards for any device when you have a gigabit switch. What you need for the transition is for premium brands to start pushing 10G ports as a feature, e.g. Apple needs to add it to Macbooks and the Mini and start using it to bludgeon competitors who don't have it. Then once t…

I've noticed 2.5 becoming a bit more common on enthusiast hardware, so it'll be a while yet before 10G becomes mainstream, but 2.5 and 5 might be the standard for new hardware a decade from now.

Re: Add 10 GbE to your system with an M.2 2280 module

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Post by ThePadawan »

sjagoe wrote: post #61
ThePadawan wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I rent an apartment in a building that was erected around 2015. They laid an ethernet connection... with a 100Mbps bandwidth limit. Some people just don't care.

Are the ports in pairs at each location? Then it sounds like they did a Very Bad Thing and ran one cable per pair of ports; 100Mbps uses two pairs, so why use two cables when one cable has four pairs, right? :( I've seen that a lot in much older installations, but I'd expect better from 2015 construction. I'm busy retrofitting Ethernet in my house by pulling cat6 through the walls and pulling out the old cat3 phone c…

I phrased this intentionally vaguely, because the details are more complicated, but also don't matter.

They didn't care, they just laid some sort of cable because that's all they had to.

Re: Add 10 GbE to your system with an M.2 2280 module

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Post by social_quotient »

sjagoe wrote: post #61
ThePadawan wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I rent an apartment in a building that was erected around 2015. They laid an ethernet connection... with a 100Mbps bandwidth limit. Some people just don't care.

Are the ports in pairs at each location? Then it sounds like they did a Very Bad Thing and ran one cable per pair of ports; 100Mbps uses two pairs, so why use two cables when one cable has four pairs, right? :( I've seen that a lot in much older installations, but I'd expect better from 2015 construction. I'm busy retrofitting Ethernet in my house by pulling cat6 through the walls and pulling out the old cat3 phone c…

Curious why did you go with cat 6 and not 6a or 7? Thinking about doing similar but want to make sure I’m not missing something.

Re: Add 10 GbE to your system with an M.2 2280 module

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Post by Jaruzel »

dtech wrote: post #64
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's kind of chicken and egg. It's not worth buying a 10G switch when all or nearly all of your devices are gigabit and it's not worth buying 10G cards for any device when you have a gigabit switch. What you need for the transition is for premium brands to start pushing 10G ports as a feature, e.g. Apple needs to add it to Macbooks and the Mini and start using it to bludgeon competitors who don't have it. Then once t…

I've noticed 2.5 becoming a bit more common on enthusiast hardware, so it'll be a while yet before 10G becomes mainstream, but 2.5 and 5 might be the standard for new hardware a decade from now.

The nice thing about 2.5gb/s is that you can still use existing CAT5e/6 cable runs (albeit at shorter distances).

I really want to start seeing 2.5gb/s becoming standard on Desktop motherboards asap.

Re: Add 10 GbE to your system with an M.2 2280 module

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Post by vidarh »

glogla wrote: post #14
doublepg23 wrote: post #12

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Maybe once gigabit internet service becomes more widely available, but even for something like a consumer NAS you’re probably bottlenecked by something else no?

NAS with SSD can go way faster than the ~ 120 MB/s 1GbE can offer. For NAS with HDD, the benefit is not as big but still there. Also, the main competition is WiFi which is significantly slower than 1GbE in most cases.

Having a NAS is a niche thing.

People who notice mine in the corner mostly don't even know what it is.

Re: Add 10 GbE to your system with an M.2 2280 module

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Post by jabl »

social_quotient wrote: post #66
sjagoe wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are the ports in pairs at each location? Then it sounds like they did a Very Bad Thing and ran one cable per pair of ports; 100Mbps uses two pairs, so why use two cables when one cable has four pairs, right? :( I've seen that a lot in much older installations, but I'd expect better from 2015 construction. I'm busy retrofitting Ethernet in my house by pulling cat6 through the walls and pulling out the old cat3 phone c…

Curious why did you go with cat 6 and not 6a or 7? Thinking about doing similar but want to make sure I’m not missing something.

Cat7 is not a recognized standard by TIA/EIA, but there apparently is an ISO standard for it. Also, cat7 doesn't use RJ-45 connectors so it's not backwards compatible with older gear.

Cat6a is probably the sweet spot for home/office/etc structural cabling. It's not much more expensive than Cat6 (or Cat5e in case people are still putting that up), and has more than enough legroom.

Re: Add 10 GbE to your system with an M.2 2280 module

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Post by globular-toast »

jcelerier wrote: post #56
AceJohnny2 wrote: post #41

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All excellent points but I'd remove gamers from there: > (gamers and video professionals being an exception) I play Stadia, 4K HDR 60FPS, just fine on a gigabit ethernet connection and 150MBit internet connection. Any games not streaming the entire video are fine with just kilobits/s of data, as long as the latency is good. So the case for home 10GE is even weaker ;)

Weird, SteamLink on gigabit ethernet is barely useable here

Looks like SteamLink only has a 100mbit/s NIC? People do often vastly overestimate how much bandwidth things need. The latest 4K HDR Blu-rays are easily streamable over 100mbit/s with a big enough buffer. A big buffer is no good for real-time gaming, of course, so they probably cap the peak bitrate to <100mbit/s which would be fine I imagine.
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