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Add 10 GbE to your system with an M.2 2280 module

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Re: Add 10 GbE to your system with an M.2 2280 module

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Post by AceJohnny2 »

buro9 wrote: post #36
martinald wrote: post #9

It's interesting to see just how slow faster ethernet standards have been. Feels like I've had gigabit ethernet at a pretty low cost for nearly 20 years now, but faster than that has been pretty esoteric outside of the datacentre. I guess there really isn't much demand for faster than gigabit speeds even now (outside of servers?)

Lots of reasons: 1. Consumer broadband speeds rarely exceed 1Gbps 2. 1Gbps Local network transfers are seldom slowed by the network (as large file work typically involves HDD still) 3. Where local network transfers are impeded by the network speed the transferring itself isn't a frequent enough and blocking thing that people feel they need to fix it... they just go make a cup of tea once or twice a day 4. There are a…

All excellent points but I'd remove gamers from there:

> (gamers and video professionals being an exception)

I play Stadia, 4K HDR 60FPS, just fine on a gigabit ethernet connection and 150MBit internet connection. Any games not streaming the entire video are fine with just kilobits/s of data, as long as the latency is good.

So the case for home 10GE is even weaker ;)

Re: Add 10 GbE to your system with an M.2 2280 module

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Post by Bad_CRC »

shrx wrote: post #26

> Applications that may make use of the module include machine vision in industrial applications, high throughput network data transmission, high-resolution imaging for surveillance, and casino gaming machines. Does anyone know why is this useful in casino gaming machines?

I was researching about low latency applications and one seems to be webrtc video for casinos where the croupier hands and cards are streaming to the internet for remote players, could be something like that.

Re: Add 10 GbE to your system with an M.2 2280 module

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Post by buro9 »

AceJohnny2 wrote: post #41
buro9 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lots of reasons: 1. Consumer broadband speeds rarely exceed 1Gbps 2. 1Gbps Local network transfers are seldom slowed by the network (as large file work typically involves HDD still) 3. Where local network transfers are impeded by the network speed the transferring itself isn't a frequent enough and blocking thing that people feel they need to fix it... they just go make a cup of tea once or twice a day 4. There are a…

All excellent points but I'd remove gamers from there: > (gamers and video professionals being an exception) I play Stadia, 4K HDR 60FPS, just fine on a gigabit ethernet connection and 150MBit internet connection. Any games not streaming the entire video are fine with just kilobits/s of data, as long as the latency is good. So the case for home 10GE is even weaker ;)

Gamers aren't a strong answer :D but they're the audiophiles of home computing hardware and networks and the most likely to overspend in the belief that it's better :D

Re: Add 10 GbE to your system with an M.2 2280 module

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Post by manuel_w »

A bit unrelated but still:

Can someone recommend quality USB(-C) ethernet adapters brand? I'm building an embedded system in a professional context and need to connect some of our own custom in-house built embedded devices (usb-c only, no ethernet) to LAN. Right now, when some device goes offline, I don't know wether it's our product or the cheapish usb-ethernet-adapter which is at fault. Would like to have something 100% reliable.

Shall I buy Lenovo or Dell?

Re: Add 10 GbE to your system with an M.2 2280 module

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Post by jagrsw »

guywhocodes wrote: post #11

This would be so much nicer if it was SFP+, 10GBASE-T transceivers are too expensive still IMO.

They're 50USD or so. The main problem seems to be that they use ~3-4W of power each, and it's more than power budget of a single SFP/+ slot (2W or so), and they become v.hot (~70°C), what can lead to overheating of switches.

Re: Add 10 GbE to your system with an M.2 2280 module

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Post by 3np »

manuel_w wrote: post #44

A bit unrelated but still: Can someone recommend quality USB(-C) ethernet adapters brand? I'm building an embedded system in a professional context and need to connect some of our own custom in-house built embedded devices (usb-c only, no ethernet) to LAN. Right now, when some device goes offline, I don't know wether it's our product or the cheapish usb-ethernet-adapter which is at fault. Would like to have something…

Have tried both Lenovo and Linksys (USB-A, RTL) - in both cases they would have issues and disappear after hours or days after startup. I can not tell you for certain that it's purely an issue with the USB Ethernet adapters and not something else in the stack (Armbian Bullseye).

Since it's built in-house, why are you relying on retrofitted USB dongles if reliable Ethernet connectivity is important? Unfeasible to make a revision with a port?

Anyway, if I were you I would probably just go ahead and buy one each of the top handful of contenders and try them out myself - they're not expensive and it makes sure that it really works for you, and if not, where the problem lies. If you have the same issue on several adapters with different chipsets, well...

Re: Add 10 GbE to your system with an M.2 2280 module

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Post by m_eiman »

AceJohnny2 wrote: post #41
buro9 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lots of reasons: 1. Consumer broadband speeds rarely exceed 1Gbps 2. 1Gbps Local network transfers are seldom slowed by the network (as large file work typically involves HDD still) 3. Where local network transfers are impeded by the network speed the transferring itself isn't a frequent enough and blocking thing that people feel they need to fix it... they just go make a cup of tea once or twice a day 4. There are a…

All excellent points but I'd remove gamers from there: > (gamers and video professionals being an exception) I play Stadia, 4K HDR 60FPS, just fine on a gigabit ethernet connection and 150MBit internet connection. Any games not streaming the entire video are fine with just kilobits/s of data, as long as the latency is good. So the case for home 10GE is even weaker ;)

> as long as the latency is good.

Which is what rules out wifi :)

Re: Add 10 GbE to your system with an M.2 2280 module

#48

Post by comboy »

cosmotic wrote: post #19
martinald wrote: post #9

It's interesting to see just how slow faster ethernet standards have been. Feels like I've had gigabit ethernet at a pretty low cost for nearly 20 years now, but faster than that has been pretty esoteric outside of the datacentre. I guess there really isn't much demand for faster than gigabit speeds even now (outside of servers?)

From my perspective the problem is availability and cost of 2.5, 5, and 10gbe switches.

Mikrotik

Re: Add 10 GbE to your system with an M.2 2280 module

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Post by sschueller »

TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #40
ZiiS wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly. If it was SPF+ you could use that. As it is copper only you need to buy a more expensive (and for most uses less good) copper one for whatever you plug it into.

I think you mean SFP+, small form-factor pluggable, rather than Sun Protection Factor ;)

I make that mistake as well, Sender Permit From...

Re: Add 10 GbE to your system with an M.2 2280 module

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Post by sschueller »

ZiiS wrote: post #39
sschueller wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

? They are like $20 for single mode fiber which you can run for miles. https://www.fs.com/de-en/products/11555.html

Exactly. If it was SPF+ you could use that. As it is copper only you need to buy a more expensive (and for most uses less good) copper one for whatever you plug it into.

Copper SPF+ get very hot and waste a ton of electricity. I think doing anything over 2.5G on copper is not ideal.
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