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Re: Netflix braces for staff walkout and LGBTQ rally over Chappelle special

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Post by furgooswft13 »

falcolas wrote: post #51
NikolaeVarius wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thats what you claim. If you talk to many Christians, they 100% believe they are being oppressed and that secularists and Atheists are coming to destroy their faith. Who are you to deny their grievances. As for the CCP, there are plenty that claim that anti-CCP is anti-Chinese racism and has no place on the stage

> Who are you to deny their grievances. Someone who looks at them and sees that they are the majority religion in the Western world, and have politicians everywhere pushing their talking points and morals on everybody else.

Literally every single institutional aspect of the Western World; entertainment, media, education, big business, even the alphabet agencies ... aggressively push LGBTQ/anti-racist grievance theology all day long every day. They never, _ever_ shut up about it (this is why you can't even clone a repo these days without being made aware that BLM exists). The only ones who don't push this constantly are (some) Republican politicians and religious institutions.

So spare me. You are not punching up, or "fighting the power". Your religion is the power.

Re: Netflix braces for staff walkout and LGBTQ rally over Chappelle special

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Post by colpabar »

falcolas wrote: post #56
throwaway210222 wrote: post #42

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> As is often stated, the freedom of speech is not the freedom of consequences. The problem with such a trite comment is that is is just as true in North Korea. You are complete Free™ to say what you like about Supreme Leader Grand Marshal Kim Jong-un, but you know - there might be consequences.

So, are you saying that people shouldn't be held to the consequences of their actions, because the North Korean government does the same? Pretty sure that's a logical fallacy: Reductio ad absurdum to be specific. And that's on top of the difference between the State and its power lawfully backed by lethal force and society which lacks the same.

>So, are you saying that people shouldn't be held to the consequences of their actions, because the North Korean government does the same?

No. No one is saying that. No one has ever said that, because it doesn't make any sense. Of course all actions have consequences. Of course saying something hurtful will cause others to react negatively. No one is contesting this. What people are contesting is that a very small but highly vocal group of people who seemingly get offended by everything can demand that the rest of us force consequences on people that hurt their feelings.

Right now, there's a small group of netflix employees planning some kind of protest. That is their right to do, that is a consequence for netflix producing this comedy special. The problem with the "freedom of speech isn't freedom from consequences" line is that it always seems to be a very small group demanding that some larger group bow to their demands and force consequences on someone that wouldn't receive them otherwise. In this case, this very small group is demanding that dave chappelle or netflix suffer consequences for producing his special. But according to rotten tomatoes, and most of the comments I read on the internet, is that the overwhelming majority of people thought it was funny.

"Freedom of speech isn't freedom from consequences" means that if I call your mother a prostitute, I might get punched in the face. It does not mean that if a digital content producer airs a comedy special you don't like, that anyone who doesn't like it can demand that it be taken down and then say "well those are just the consequences!"

The consequence of netflix airing this special is that some people will get offended and may cancel their subscriptions and some of their employees might protest and/or quit. That's it. Caving to the demands of those offended is not "suffering the consequences."

Re: Netflix braces for staff walkout and LGBTQ rally over Chappelle special

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Post by david38 »

falcolas wrote: post #43
cassac wrote: post #10

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Should they take all jokes that hurt Christian feelings offline? Or how about anything that is critical of the CCP? Where does it end?

Christians are not an oppressed minority, in any sense of either word. Nor is the CCP. Both of those parties represent real power, both politically and financially, in this world today.

Christians are most certainly oppressed. It’s totally socially acceptable to mock them, assume all priests are pedophiles, assume they don’t understand science, etc.

Re: Netflix braces for staff walkout and LGBTQ rally over Chappelle special

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Post by david38 »

furgooswft13 wrote: post #61
falcolas wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Who are you to deny their grievances. Someone who looks at them and sees that they are the majority religion in the Western world, and have politicians everywhere pushing their talking points and morals on everybody else.

Literally every single institutional aspect of the Western World; entertainment, media, education, big business, even the alphabet agencies ... aggressively push LGBTQ/anti-racist grievance theology all day long every day. They never, _ever_ shut up about it (this is why you can't even clone a repo these days without being made aware that BLM exists). The only ones who don't push this constantly are (some) Republican…

Truth.

Re: Netflix braces for staff walkout and LGBTQ rally over Chappelle special

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Post by whydoibother »

furgooswft13 wrote: post #61
falcolas wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Who are you to deny their grievances. Someone who looks at them and sees that they are the majority religion in the Western world, and have politicians everywhere pushing their talking points and morals on everybody else.

Literally every single institutional aspect of the Western World; entertainment, media, education, big business, even the alphabet agencies ... aggressively push LGBTQ/anti-racist grievance theology all day long every day. They never, _ever_ shut up about it (this is why you can't even clone a repo these days without being made aware that BLM exists). The only ones who don't push this constantly are (some) Republican…

People couldn’t get married due to religion just a little while ago. Women are losing birth control rights because of religion.

What rights are you losing because marketing for companies are pushing shallow lgbtq advocacy?

Not really the same thing, is it? Way to get all faux outraged though.

Re: Netflix braces for staff walkout and LGBTQ rally over Chappelle special

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Post by CodeGlitch »

falcolas wrote: post #43
cassac wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Should they take all jokes that hurt Christian feelings offline? Or how about anything that is critical of the CCP? Where does it end?

Christians are not an oppressed minority, in any sense of either word. Nor is the CCP. Both of those parties represent real power, both politically and financially, in this world today.

> Christians are not an oppressed minority

In some parts of the world they are. We need to stop taking such a Western-view of the world.

Re: Netflix braces for staff walkout and LGBTQ rally over Chappelle special

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Post by toyg »

falcolas wrote: post #44
toyg wrote: post #13

It's so sad that the great power of collective action is being wasted in these little squabbles that matter to the 0.0000001% of the population. If tech workers now really "understand their labor power" (as some claim [1]), then choosing to deploy it on these trivial matters shows how privileged that group really is. [1] https://www.theguardian.com/media/2021/oct/20/netflix-employ...

Yes, how dare we put our political power behind minorities. It's a travesty against the majority, I agree. /s

Dave Chappelle belongs to a minority too. In fact, a minority of a minority (black comedians) - unlike most trans. Watch the show, he talks about this too.

Re: Netflix braces for staff walkout and LGBTQ rally over Chappelle special

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Post by dragonwriter »

toyg wrote: post #67
falcolas wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, how dare we put our political power behind minorities. It's a travesty against the majority, I agree. /s

Dave Chappelle belongs to a minority too. In fact, a minority of a minority (black comedians) - unlike most trans. Watch the show, he talks about this too.

> Dave Chappelle belongs to a minority too. In fact, a minority of a minority (black comedians) - unlike most trans.

“Minority” in the relevant sense is not “group that constitutes less than 50%” but “group that is a historical target of large scale social discrimination inn the society which is the context of discussion” (the term “minority” is an accident of history; had the language developed first in, say, apartheid South Africa, the term adopted probably wouldn't have been “disadvantaged minority” from which over time the first word usually got dropped.)

And even in the numerical sense, everybody is a minority of a minority if you choose the right set of axes of variation to look at, so in the sense that it is true of Chappelle, it is not “unlike most trans”.

Re: Netflix braces for staff walkout and LGBTQ rally over Chappelle special

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Post by JohnWhigham »

throwaway894345 wrote: post #60
JohnWhigham wrote: post #35

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I think it depends how much a certain label/group is core to one's identity. For many people in the Twittersphere, they worship the idea of labbelling themselves and showing it off to others for some reason.

While this is true, I think it kind of understates the problem. The issue isn't just "a few vain people put too much emphasis on their superficial group identities", but rather they are part of a broader ideological contingent that puts tremendous emphasis on everyone's superficial group identities. These folks generally believe that these identities are useful bases for decision making (i.e., discrimination in the m…

Well said. I frequently think back to MLK Jr's quote about being judged not by color of skin, but by content of heart, and how appalled he'd be at the contemporary landscape.

Re: Netflix braces for staff walkout and LGBTQ rally over Chappelle special

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Post by Mindwipe »

JohnWhigham wrote: post #11
themodelplumber wrote: post #7

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Things generally upsetting people in general is one thing, but details matter. The reporting describes something more like a question of priorities and ongoing lack of appropriate attention to community dynamics. Worse, it sounds like a situation that could have been avoided. > Organizers did not specify their demands ahead of the rally, although Preston said the event would call for content that prioritizes "the saf…

I find it funny that there's been virtually no discussion about his trans comedian friend (forget their name) and how the bullying they received because she stuck up for Chappelle drove her to suicide. You'd think the trans community should stop and reflect on why this happened. But nope, apparently their death is justified because Chappelle bad!

Chappelle's characterisation of that incident is heavily disputed. There has been a lot of discussion about it.

https://twitter.com/LilySimpson1312/status/14484175314300149...

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