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Re: Netflix braces for staff walkout and LGBTQ rally over Chappelle special

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Post by slowmovintarget »

toyg wrote: post #15
JohnWhigham wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find it funny that there's been virtually no discussion about his trans comedian friend (forget their name) and how the bullying they received because she stuck up for Chappelle drove her to suicide. You'd think the trans community should stop and reflect on why this happened. But nope, apparently their death is justified because Chappelle bad!

I have friends involved in the LGBT community since forever, and even them openly admit that the trans community is a cesspool. One thing that has become abundantly clear through history is that even marginalized groups, once empowered, have the potential (and often a vengeful inclination) to make others suffer.

Yes. Empowerment is mistaken to mean power and authority over others instead of power and control over one's own destiny. When so distorted, such a "community" becomes a dominance hierarchy where the most aggrieved wins. History shows it is never healthy, it merely perfects bullying and viciousness.

Re: Netflix braces for staff walkout and LGBTQ rally over Chappelle special

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Post by throwaway210222 »

falcolas wrote: post #40
mc32 wrote: post #3

Many things are upsetting to many people. I don't think it's viable to always bow to demands of your most strident members. Chapelle is a dissenter, I think he has as much a right to express his opinion as other provocateurs. We've had shows from Netflix which border on child exploitation and skate somewhat close to CP. So, why would this be out of line? I watched it and it was biting but wasn't hateful. It questione…

As is often stated, the freedom of speech is not the freedom of consequences. The disparagement is a direct consequence of his speech. He is no more free from that consequence than your or I would be in similar circumstances.

> As is often stated, the freedom of speech is not the freedom of consequences.

The problem with such a trite comment is that is is just as true in North Korea.

You are complete Free™ to say what you like about Supreme Leader Grand Marshal Kim Jong-un, but you know - there might be consequences.

Re: Netflix braces for staff walkout and LGBTQ rally over Chappelle special

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Post by falcolas »

cassac wrote: post #10
themodelplumber wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Things generally upsetting people in general is one thing, but details matter. The reporting describes something more like a question of priorities and ongoing lack of appropriate attention to community dynamics. Worse, it sounds like a situation that could have been avoided. > Organizers did not specify their demands ahead of the rally, although Preston said the event would call for content that prioritizes "the saf…

Should they take all jokes that hurt Christian feelings offline? Or how about anything that is critical of the CCP? Where does it end?

Christians are not an oppressed minority, in any sense of either word. Nor is the CCP.

Both of those parties represent real power, both politically and financially, in this world today.

Re: Netflix braces for staff walkout and LGBTQ rally over Chappelle special

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Post by falcolas »

toyg wrote: post #13

It's so sad that the great power of collective action is being wasted in these little squabbles that matter to the 0.0000001% of the population. If tech workers now really "understand their labor power" (as some claim [1]), then choosing to deploy it on these trivial matters shows how privileged that group really is. [1] https://www.theguardian.com/media/2021/oct/20/netflix-employ...

Yes, how dare we put our political power behind minorities. It's a travesty against the majority, I agree.

/s

Re: Netflix braces for staff walkout and LGBTQ rally over Chappelle special

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Post by mbg721 »

JohnWhigham wrote: post #35
yetihehe wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've never seen this effect with programming jokes or jokes about programmers. Typical reactions I've seen are always "yeah, so true". But this is only one anecdote, I may be in a bubble, so I ask others: have you seen programmers getting offended by jokes about programmers?

I think it depends how much a certain label/group is core to one's identity. For many people in the Twittersphere, they worship the idea of labbelling themselves and showing it off to others for some reason.

Labeling yourself is something that can be done effectively in 140 characters.

Re: Netflix braces for staff walkout and LGBTQ rally over Chappelle special

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Post by angelzen »

supernovae wrote: post #14
0xebc wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Chapelle has an outdated view of trans issues but doesn’t call for violence, which is Netflix’s line. Chapelle has a logically correct view of trans issues that's up to date. It's probably the view shared by a silent majority but it's politically suicide to even hint at, as he covered in his special. You can rob a pregnant woman at gun point and be considered a saint, but if you hurt a trans person's feelings, you'r…

Oh, the old silent majority nonsense. You do realize that doesn't exist right and that mindset parallels the beliefs of racists... which.. doesn't surprise me.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preference_falsification

Re: Netflix braces for staff walkout and LGBTQ rally over Chappelle special

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Post by NikolaeVarius »

falcolas wrote: post #43
cassac wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Should they take all jokes that hurt Christian feelings offline? Or how about anything that is critical of the CCP? Where does it end?

Christians are not an oppressed minority, in any sense of either word. Nor is the CCP. Both of those parties represent real power, both politically and financially, in this world today.

Thats what you claim. If you talk to many Christians, they 100% believe they are being oppressed and that secularists and Atheists are coming to destroy their faith. Who are you to deny their grievances.

As for the CCP, there are plenty that claim that anti-CCP is anti-Chinese racism and has no place on the stage

Re: Netflix braces for staff walkout and LGBTQ rally over Chappelle special

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Post by HelloMcFly »

throwaway210222 wrote: post #42
falcolas wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As is often stated, the freedom of speech is not the freedom of consequences. The disparagement is a direct consequence of his speech. He is no more free from that consequence than your or I would be in similar circumstances.

> As is often stated, the freedom of speech is not the freedom of consequences. The problem with such a trite comment is that is is just as true in North Korea. You are complete Free™ to say what you like about Supreme Leader Grand Marshal Kim Jong-un, but you know - there might be consequences.

There's quite a bit of difference between government-imposed consequences and social consequences. Otherwise in a sense we're all "free" to murder and steal, everywhere, in every country.

Re: Netflix braces for staff walkout and LGBTQ rally over Chappelle special

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Post by 1cvmask »

`Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system` - Marcus Tullius Cicero. 63 BC

Dave Chappelle and some other comedians like Joe Rogan are "too big to fail". But how many lesser voices get cancelled is the true hallmark of consistency and principles.

In the old days kings cancelled lesser voices by beheading them. Occasionally, the "lesser" voices rose up and beheaded kings (King Charless II, Louis the 16, the Romanovs).

Cancel culture is as old personkind (or is it peoplekind?).

It is just another blunt instrument of intimidation and bullying. The modern version is a performative art to get status by trying to wreck the lives of others without having the legal right to behead people.

Daphne ended up committing suicide but at least that was a self-inflicted death.

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The mob even accused the comedian Bill Burr, who is married to a Black woman and has a daughter from her, of being a racist.

"...a white man having a non-white wife can sometimes be a sign of racism. So you shouldn't assume someone isn't racist just because they own a minority sex servant. They may very well have one because they're racist."

https://twitter.com/Clayburn/status/1371268469145079809

https://www.indy100.com/ents/bill-burr-wife-tweet-racism-gra...

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