A backlash against gender ideology is starting in universities

Post by pqs » Wed, Jun 23, 2021, 3:25 PM UTC

Moodles wrote: post #21

> The arguments the two sides put forward, in other words, are complex and debatable. But many trans activists think that any disagreement is tantamount to hate speech and try to suppress it. This is 100% my personal experience also. Even on HN last week someone said I should try to be a "better human" and compared my suggestion that maybe someone might oppose transgender women in women's spaces for reasons other tha…

Post by _y5hn » Wed, Jun 23, 2021, 3:46 PM UTC

diplomatpuppy wrote: post #62

throwaway284534 wrote: post #36

There’s a lot that’s already been said in this topic but I feel compelled to bring up the damage imposed by TERF talking points. The conversation goes something like this: “Transgender women possess an innate maleness that carries a non-zero threat to female spaces.” They believe that dictionary definitions of woman are prescriptive, declared at the chromosomes during birth, rather than descriptive, as in how one pre…

I don’t think it’s fair to dismiss what seems to be a reasonable discussion as simply “TERF talking points” and then reframe what your opponents are saying in an un-sympathetic way.

Post by AnimalMuppet » Wed, Jun 23, 2021, 4:34 PM UTC

SamoyedFurFluff wrote: post #30

gumby wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> TERF isn’t a slur. I think the economist's usage was OK, as it appears in the supplied context to have been used as a slur (I'm not adequately connected on the topic to know what the "normal" usage would be). > The whole article is suspect to be sympathetic to anti-trans politics as a result. Clearly, given what I said above, I don't agree with this diagnosis. In particular I think a few articles like this are a go…

There’s a difference between saying it’s used as a way to disparage someone and as a slur here. I’ve generally associated the term slur with a significant history of using it against a demographic, such as f ggot, n ggr, ch*nk, etc. saying that TERF is on the same level as those terms struck me as politicking and not journalism, which made me suspect the rest of the piece as political nonsense from the right.

Post by tetranomiga » Wed, Jun 23, 2021, 4:37 PM UTC

tarboreus wrote: post #56

tetranomiga wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no historical reason to think that not supporting extreme speech will lead to fascism. There are historical reasons to think that curbing extremist speech protects democracy (see the Weimar Republic).

Why focus only on fascism? What about authoritarianism? Look at the USSR and the modern CCP.

Post by yownie » Wed, Jun 23, 2021, 4:39 PM UTC

anoncake wrote: post #50

zozbot234 wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Truscum" being the word for someone who thinks that changing one's gender and sexual characteristics might not be the greatest idea ever unless you actually have , like, gender dysphoria. Never mind the many, many people who are now pursuing "detransition" after going one step too far. I mean, what could possibly go wrong?

"many, many people" -- do you have numbers as to how many people detransition, not due to being pressured but because they aren't trans after all, and only after making irreversible changes?