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Re: Jack Ma makes first live appearance in three months in online meet

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Post by yongjik »

FooBarWidget wrote: post #20

In the last Hacker News thread, people were so sure that the government jailed him for criticizing the party. Even though there was no evidence of such, people just assumed it MUST be true because the CCP MUST be evil. And before Jack Ma "disappeared", people were worried about Jack Ma and Ant Group being a national security threat, because of his ties with CCP. Because "CCP evil". No matter the facts, people just co…

> In the last Hacker News thread, people were so sure that the government jailed him for criticizing the party. Even though there was no evidence of such, people just assumed it MUST be true because the CCP MUST be evil.

That's because in any other moderately functioning country, it takes at most a few phone calls by journalists to clarify the matter: "Excuse me, billionaire Mr. X hasn't been seen for days. Could you verify if the police arrested him?" "Oh really? We have no record of such an arrest - in any case, arresting someone like him will generate five hundred tweets within minutes, wouldn't it?" "You're absolutely right, have a good day!"

There's only one other country where I've seen high-profile figures just "disappearing" regularly: North Korea.

Re: Jack Ma makes first live appearance in three months in online meet

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Post by stelonix »

lxe wrote: post #40
FooBarWidget wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How much more mental gymnastics do we need? I think it's time to accept that he WASN'T jailed rather than trying to forcefully shoehorn the facts into a 'but China still bad' narrative. The HN commentary went from 'Jack Ma is a national security threat' to 'Jack Ma is a poor victim of the CCP will will never be seen again' to 'this is fake, he is still jailed'. If he shows up someone else in person next time, will pe…

A Chinese person's perspective about China and its politics/government on HN/Reddit? Enjoy the following classics: 1) you're brainwashed. 2) how do you justify the human rights violations? 3) you're a CCP shill 4) Would you publicly curse Xi and denounce the CCP? Good luck!

Okay, maybe I'm missing something, but someone posted[0] that exact phrase #4 at the same time you posted it. What gives?

PS: I agree with your points and am saddened the anti-China rhetoric has been flooding HN over the past years. I read a comment here long ago that said "HN is full of neocons" or something like that, but I can't help but believe there's also state backed propaganda (shills) fomenting sinophobia.

[0] https://imgur.com/a/z6Jq8Cf

Re: Jack Ma makes first live appearance in three months in online meet

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Post by bigpumpkin »

FooBarWidget wrote: post #28
sebmellen wrote: post #5

> In the 50-second video, Ma, dressed in a navy pullover, spoke directly to the camera from a room with grey marble walls and a striped carpet. It was not clear from the video or the Tianmu News article where he was speaking from. Uh, resurfacing from a fancy prison cell, perhaps? Can anyone find the video? EDIT: Here's the raw video: https://twitter.com/globaltimesnews/status/13517514568277196... . If you watch his…

How much more mental gymnastics do we need? I think it's time to accept that he WASN'T jailed rather than trying to forcefully shoehorn the facts into a 'but China still bad' narrative. The HN commentary went from 'Jack Ma is a national security threat' to 'Jack Ma is a poor victim of the CCP will will never be seen again' to 'this is fake, he is still jailed'. If he shows up someone else in person next time, will pe…

I just want to say I support your views, which are obviously true to anyone remotely knowledgeable about China. Although that is apparently a rarity.

Re: Jack Ma makes first live appearance in three months in online meet

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Post by howlgarnish »

chrischen wrote: post #31
sebmellen wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fair point, but his speech also seems forced, and the location is quite strange. If Bezos or Gates were to give an address like this, they'd have a great camera setup in their fancy home office with good lighting. For reference, take a look at Gates appearing on the Daily Show: https://youtube.com/watch?v=iyFT8qXcOrM . Ma looks the opposite here.

At this point you're just applying your cultural bias.

Compared to Jack Ma's usual public image (see below), a frumpy pullover and a dingy room does seem rather odd.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=jack+ma&iax=images&ia=images

Re: Jack Ma makes first live appearance in three months in online meet

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Post by Yetanfou »

lxe wrote: post #40
FooBarWidget wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How much more mental gymnastics do we need? I think it's time to accept that he WASN'T jailed rather than trying to forcefully shoehorn the facts into a 'but China still bad' narrative. The HN commentary went from 'Jack Ma is a national security threat' to 'Jack Ma is a poor victim of the CCP will will never be seen again' to 'this is fake, he is still jailed'. If he shows up someone else in person next time, will pe…

A Chinese person's perspective about China and its politics/government on HN/Reddit? Enjoy the following classics: 1) you're brainwashed. 2) how do you justify the human rights violations? 3) you're a CCP shill 4) Would you publicly curse Xi and denounce the CCP? Good luck!

Ah, so it is just like, say, a supporter of the outgoing president giving his perspective on things on HN after which he's met with similar beratements (s/CCP/GOP/g;s/Xi/Trump/)? Maybe I can generalise this to a supporter of anything which goes outside of a polarised narrative being met with such?

Re: Jack Ma makes first live appearance in three months in online meet

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Post by [deleted] »

FooBarWidget wrote: post #20

In the last Hacker News thread, people were so sure that the government jailed him for criticizing the party. Even though there was no evidence of such, people just assumed it MUST be true because the CCP MUST be evil. And before Jack Ma "disappeared", people were worried about Jack Ma and Ant Group being a national security threat, because of his ties with CCP. Because "CCP evil". No matter the facts, people just co…

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Re: Jack Ma makes first live appearance in three months in online meet

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Post by lxe »

cepth wrote: post #55
secretcombos wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He could very well be from the 50 Cent Party. HN has no doubt been infiltrated by them: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50_Cent_Party

Yes, a HN member with a profile created in December of 2008, 5800+ Karma, with links to his Twitter and name of his employer in his profile page is a 五毛(50 center). The CCP is truly all powerful! If my dripping sarcasm wasn’t clear, you’re way off base here. Edit 1: to the downvoters, please feel free to explain why it’s appropriate to accuse a 12-year HN member of being a paid shill for the CCP when all evidence poi…

Keybase, twitter, normal twitter tech posts stuff... followers... why randomly throw conspiracies at people?

Re: Jack Ma makes first live appearance in three months in online meet

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Post by mda »

lxe wrote: post #40
FooBarWidget wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How much more mental gymnastics do we need? I think it's time to accept that he WASN'T jailed rather than trying to forcefully shoehorn the facts into a 'but China still bad' narrative. The HN commentary went from 'Jack Ma is a national security threat' to 'Jack Ma is a poor victim of the CCP will will never be seen again' to 'this is fake, he is still jailed'. If he shows up someone else in person next time, will pe…

A Chinese person's perspective about China and its politics/government on HN/Reddit? Enjoy the following classics: 1) you're brainwashed. 2) how do you justify the human rights violations? 3) you're a CCP shill 4) Would you publicly curse Xi and denounce the CCP? Good luck!

Yeah I wonder what the answers would be? Probably: No, Yes, No, No?

Re: Jack Ma makes first live appearance in three months in online meet

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Post by chrischen »

howlgarnish wrote: post #65
chrischen wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At this point you're just applying your cultural bias.

Compared to Jack Ma's usual public image (see below), a frumpy pullover and a dingy room does seem rather odd. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=jack+ma&iax=images&ia=images

Yes but he was comparing to how Bezos and Musk appear.

Everyone is not how they normally appear because of the pandemic, and Ma addresses the reason why he's just video taping himself in a room because of this. Stop armchair speculating.

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