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Assange offered pardon if he co-operated over email leak, UK court hears

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Re: Assange offered pardon if he co-operated over email leak, UK court hears

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Post by m0zg »

ccaleb wrote: post #57
m0zg wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And it doubly makes no sense coming from _his lawyer_. To what end would they jeopardize his freedom by making such statements? I smell fake news.

Here's a quote from Rohrabacher after visiting Assange in 2017: “When speaking with Julian Assange, I told him that if he could provide me information and evidence about who actually gave him the DNC emails, I would then call on President Trump to pardon him" Is it really that hard to believe?

That's not what's being "reported" though. What's being reported is that "Trump promised a pardon if Assange says it's not from Russia". Notice how Russia or promise of a pardon does not come up in your Rohrabacher quote (which, BTW, I'd need to verify as well before I believe it). It's like I said "I'll call on Jeff Bezos to give you a million dollars if you vote in this election", without even specifying who I want you to vote for.

Re: Assange offered pardon if he co-operated over email leak, UK court hears

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Post by crunchatized »

> a witness statement by former U.S. Republican congressman Dana Rohrabacher who had visited Assange in 2017, saying that he had been sent by the president to offer a pardon.

> The pardon would come on the condition that Assange complied with the U.S. by saying that the Russians were not involved in the email leak which hurt Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign in 2016, Rohrabacher’s statement said.

Rohrabacher's witness statement says that he made this offer on Trump's behalf with a condition attached. Rohrabacher's own statement in August 2017 says that Assange met that condition in that same 3 hour meeting:

https://web.archive.org/web/20170817205448/https://rohrabach...

> Assange, said Rohrabacher, “emphatically stated that the Russians were not involved in the hacking or disclosure of those emails.” Rohrabacher, who chairs the House Foreign Affairs Subcommittee on Europe, Eurasia, and Emerging Threats, is the only U.S. congressman to have visited the controversial figure.

> The conversation ranged over many topics, said Rohrabacher, including the status of Wikileaks, which Assange maintains is vital to keeping Americans informed on matters hidden by their traditional media. The congressman plans to divulge more of what he found directly to President Trump.

Re: Assange offered pardon if he co-operated over email leak, UK court hears

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Post by [deleted] »

ryanlol wrote: post #54
three_seagrass wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure - more info here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guccifer_2.0 >The U.S. Intelligence Community concluded that some of the genuine leaks from "Guccifer 2.0" were part of a series of cyberattacks on the DNC committed by two Russian military intelligence groups, and that "Guccifer 2.0" is actually a persona created by Russian intelligence services to cover for their interference in the 2016 U.S. presidential electio…

> including CrowdStrike, Fidelis Cybersecurity, FireEye's Mandiant, SecureWorks, ThreatConnect, Trend Micro, and the security editor for Ars Technica. Some of these are not like the others.

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Re: Assange offered pardon if he co-operated over email leak, UK court hears

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Post by einpoklum »

three_seagrass wrote: post #36
sschueller wrote: post #2

This makes no sense. Julian already stated that Russia had nothing to do with the DNC leaks. From wikipedia [1]: On December 9, 2016, the CIA told U.S. legislators that the U.S. Intelligence Community concluded Russia conducted operations during the 2016 U.S. election to prevent Hillary Clinton[11] from winning the presidency.[12] Multiple U.S intelligence agencies concluded people with direct ties to the Kremlin gav…

>Julian already stated that Russia had nothing to do with the DNC leaks. That's wrong, and is spreading misinformation: - Julian Assange said that his source was not Russian Intelligence. - Julian Assange did not say that the hacks were not Russian. It's well known in the cybersecurity industry that the DNC email hacks performed by Guccifer 2.0 were Russian GRU.

> It's well known in the cybersecurity industry that the DNC email hacks performed by Guccifer 2.0 were Russian GRU.

You mean, it is repeatedly claimed without solid (or any?) evidence.

Re: Assange offered pardon if he co-operated over email leak, UK court hears

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Post by einpoklum »

three_seagrass wrote: post #53
AndrewUnmuted wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is this evidence you bring up, and where can we find it? If you have evidence - especially evidence that Assange himself doesn't have - by all means, share it. I am sure this would really help a lot of people understand an issue, about which the cyber-security industry has apparently reached a consensus.

Sure - more info here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guccifer_2.0 >The U.S. Intelligence Community concluded that some of the genuine leaks from "Guccifer 2.0" were part of a series of cyberattacks on the DNC committed by two Russian military intelligence groups, and that "Guccifer 2.0" is actually a persona created by Russian intelligence services to cover for their interference in the 2016 U.S. presidential electio…

> The U.S. Intelligence Community concluded

"Conculded"? It's nice that they concluded. If they want _us_ to conclude, then let them bring evidence.

I remember when the US concluded Iraq had "weapons of mass destruction". That did not turn out to be quite accurate.

Re: Assange offered pardon if he co-operated over email leak, UK court hears

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Post by paulryanrogers »

_4byd wrote: post #38
jayd16 wrote: post #26

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In what world is this not a quid pro quo and political extortion of Assange? The president should not be involved and withholding a pardon to squeeze out political favors is not acceptable in any form.

Lol. “Withholding a pardon” likes it’s an entitlement and not granting it indicates corruption...

How about "dangling a pardon to squeeze out the desired response"?

Re: Assange offered pardon if he co-operated over email leak, UK court hears

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Post by monocasa »

Traster wrote: post #40
ryanlol wrote: post #34

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> Isn't the whole the struggles and fiascos are about the suspect of him doing rape or not? Nope, those charges were dropped.

Is it the case that some of those charges passed the statute of limitations while Assange was hiding in the Ecuadorian embassy? I think "charges were dropped" is putting it a bit strongly.

The more serious charges were dropped before they exceeded their statute of limitations.

Re: Assange offered pardon if he co-operated over email leak, UK court hears

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Post by einpoklum »

ccaleb wrote: post #58
AndrewUnmuted wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is this evidence you bring up, and where can we find it? If you have evidence - especially evidence that Assange himself doesn't have - by all means, share it. I am sure this would really help a lot of people understand an issue, about which the cyber-security industry has apparently reached a consensus.

Direct quote from Mueller Report: "GRU officers used both the DCLeaks and Guccifer 2.0 personas to communicate with WikiLeaks through Twitter private messaging and through encrypted channels, including possibly through WikiLeaks's private communication system.”

Mueller claimed this was the case, but - his report, as released to the public, did not present evidence to establish these claims (nor, in fact, most claims in the report regarding Russian interference).

Also, "including possibly through Wikileaks" means nothing. "Including possibly through my second cousin's DIY basement mail server."

Re: Assange offered pardon if he co-operated over email leak, UK court hears

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Post by crunchatized »

ryanlol wrote: post #54
three_seagrass wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure - more info here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guccifer_2.0 >The U.S. Intelligence Community concluded that some of the genuine leaks from "Guccifer 2.0" were part of a series of cyberattacks on the DNC committed by two Russian military intelligence groups, and that "Guccifer 2.0" is actually a persona created by Russian intelligence services to cover for their interference in the 2016 U.S. presidential electio…

> including CrowdStrike, Fidelis Cybersecurity, FireEye's Mandiant, SecureWorks, ThreatConnect, Trend Micro, and the security editor for Ars Technica. Some of these are not like the others.

The Ars article is at least very transparent about its conclusions and what evidence they're based on.

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/06/gucci...

"We still don't know who he is or whether he works for the Russian government, but one thing is for sure: Guccifer 2.0—the nom de guerre of the person claiming he hacked the Democratic National Committee and published hundreds of pages that appeared to prove it—left behind fingerprints implicating a Russian-speaking person with a nostalgia for the country's lost Soviet era."

Re: Assange offered pardon if he co-operated over email leak, UK court hears

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Post by einpoklum »

rtkwe wrote: post #16
sjg007 wrote: post #6

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His source may not have been Russia but that source may have gotten them from Russia.

Yeah I'm not convinced Assange would recognize or care to look hard enough to figure out if his source was a simple cut out.

1. Maybe not. WikiLeaks is a leaks publication outfit, not a counter-intelligence outfit.

2. Suppose it had been a "cut-out" (though I'm incredulous of that). Do you believe they should have refused to publish in that case?

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