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Assange offered pardon if he co-operated over email leak, UK court hears

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Re: Assange offered pardon if he co-operated over email leak, UK court hears

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Post by caconym_ »

sschueller wrote: post #2

This makes no sense. Julian already stated that Russia had nothing to do with the DNC leaks. From wikipedia [1]: On December 9, 2016, the CIA told U.S. legislators that the U.S. Intelligence Community concluded Russia conducted operations during the 2016 U.S. election to prevent Hillary Clinton[11] from winning the presidency.[12] Multiple U.S intelligence agencies concluded people with direct ties to the Kremlin gav…

To be fair, Trump has a history of saying things that don't line up with reality (this is objective, apolitical fact), so it's not a stretch to think he might not have been aware of this. Or he might have wanted a repeat of the same statement in a different forum.

Or it might be total bullshit. But given the events of recent days, it's hard to argue that it's not at least consistent.

Re: Assange offered pardon if he co-operated over email leak, UK court hears

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Post by falcolas »

Seems perfectly reasonable.

Torture, err, solitary confinement.

Interrogate, err, coerce statement, err, offer a pardon in exchange for the statement they want to hear, err, for a truthful and honest statement.

Imply that the torture, err, solitary confinement will continue if the honest statement is not made.

Yup, all perfectly reasonable. /s

Re: Assange offered pardon if he co-operated over email leak, UK court hears

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Post by booboolayla »

sschueller wrote: post #2

This makes no sense. Julian already stated that Russia had nothing to do with the DNC leaks. From wikipedia [1]: On December 9, 2016, the CIA told U.S. legislators that the U.S. Intelligence Community concluded Russia conducted operations during the 2016 U.S. election to prevent Hillary Clinton[11] from winning the presidency.[12] Multiple U.S intelligence agencies concluded people with direct ties to the Kremlin gav…

Assange hinted that Seth Rich was their source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Seth_Rich#WikiLeaks_...

Combine that with Bill Binney's analysis that proves the data couldn't have possibly been downloaded over the internet but rather shipped on a USB: https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiLeaks/comments/becdyc/nsa_whist...

Re: Assange offered pardon if he co-operated over email leak, UK court hears

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Post by datashow »

sschueller wrote: post #2

This makes no sense. Julian already stated that Russia had nothing to do with the DNC leaks. From wikipedia [1]: On December 9, 2016, the CIA told U.S. legislators that the U.S. Intelligence Community concluded Russia conducted operations during the 2016 U.S. election to prevent Hillary Clinton[11] from winning the presidency.[12] Multiple U.S intelligence agencies concluded people with direct ties to the Kremlin gav…

Can we really trust CIA and the "multiple U.S intelligence agencies" on this issue? I have no idea.

Re: Assange offered pardon if he co-operated over email leak, UK court hears

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Post by 8note »

falcolas wrote: post #12

Seems perfectly reasonable. Torture, err, solitary confinement. Interrogate, err, coerce statement, err, offer a pardon in exchange for the statement they want to hear, err, for a truthful and honest statement. Imply that the torture, err, solitary confinement will continue if the honest statement is not made. Yup, all perfectly reasonable. /s

it's the American way. tried and tested across all the colonies with the puppet dictators

Re: Assange offered pardon if he co-operated over email leak, UK court hears

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Post by rtkwe »

sjg007 wrote: post #6
sschueller wrote: post #2

This makes no sense. Julian already stated that Russia had nothing to do with the DNC leaks. From wikipedia [1]: On December 9, 2016, the CIA told U.S. legislators that the U.S. Intelligence Community concluded Russia conducted operations during the 2016 U.S. election to prevent Hillary Clinton[11] from winning the presidency.[12] Multiple U.S intelligence agencies concluded people with direct ties to the Kremlin gav…

His source may not have been Russia but that source may have gotten them from Russia.

Yeah I'm not convinced Assange would recognize or care to look hard enough to figure out if his source was a simple cut out.

Re: Assange offered pardon if he co-operated over email leak, UK court hears

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Post by fit2rule »

sschueller wrote: post #2

This makes no sense. Julian already stated that Russia had nothing to do with the DNC leaks. From wikipedia [1]: On December 9, 2016, the CIA told U.S. legislators that the U.S. Intelligence Community concluded Russia conducted operations during the 2016 U.S. election to prevent Hillary Clinton[11] from winning the presidency.[12] Multiple U.S intelligence agencies concluded people with direct ties to the Kremlin gav…

I think the anti-Assange/anti-Trump clan are trying to get ahead of this story and positioning it as if it were another quid pro quo situation, which is insidious and duplicitous to say the least - because actually there are a lot of political hacks who are headed for deep embarrassment if Assange can demonstrate that, indeed, Russia was not behind the DNC leak which embarrassed Clinton and 'cost her the election'.

Trump telling Assange "okay, so .. come out and tell the world that the DNC leaks weren't Russia-sourced and if you can provide evidence that this is true, I will pardon you" is not the same as Trump saying "cover up Russia's involvement in the DNC leak, and I'll pardon you" - but yet, the positioning in mainstream media so far (its only been a few hours) is definitely making it seem like the former.

Until we can refer to the sources (you know, "avoid fake news by going to the source"), this should be treated as fake news either way. The hearing hasn't even ramped up yet and we are already knee-deep in Russiagate nonsense already.

Re: Assange offered pardon if he co-operated over email leak, UK court hears

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Post by fit2rule »

rtkwe wrote: post #16
sjg007 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

His source may not have been Russia but that source may have gotten them from Russia.

Yeah I'm not convinced Assange would recognize or care to look hard enough to figure out if his source was a simple cut out.

You honestly can't fathom a situation where Assange would know for sure Russia wasn't involved?

Is everyone in America to be considered a suspected Russian agent now?

Because there is a scenario: Assange got the DNC leaks directly from someone in authority in the DNC, itself, knows the person, and knows they don't work for Russia (because the person already has high-level clearances/was rigorously vetted/etc.)

Re: Assange offered pardon if he co-operated over email leak, UK court hears

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Post by jasonlotito »

fit2rule wrote: post #17
sschueller wrote: post #2

This makes no sense. Julian already stated that Russia had nothing to do with the DNC leaks. From wikipedia [1]: On December 9, 2016, the CIA told U.S. legislators that the U.S. Intelligence Community concluded Russia conducted operations during the 2016 U.S. election to prevent Hillary Clinton[11] from winning the presidency.[12] Multiple U.S intelligence agencies concluded people with direct ties to the Kremlin gav…

I think the anti-Assange/anti-Trump clan are trying to get ahead of this story and positioning it as if it were another quid pro quo situation, which is insidious and duplicitous to say the least - because actually there are a lot of political hacks who are headed for deep embarrassment if Assange can demonstrate that, indeed, Russia was not behind the DNC leak which embarrassed Clinton and 'cost her the election'. T…

Looking at the sources, so far, the White House has already been found out to have lied in it's opening statement about this, and the OP here confused whether the Source was Russia and whether Russia was involved. Sure, need to hear more, but so far, with Rohrabacher admitting to working on this exact thing in 2017, it's more real than fake.

Re: Assange offered pardon if he co-operated over email leak, UK court hears

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Post by buckminster »

sschueller wrote: post #2

This makes no sense. Julian already stated that Russia had nothing to do with the DNC leaks. From wikipedia [1]: On December 9, 2016, the CIA told U.S. legislators that the U.S. Intelligence Community concluded Russia conducted operations during the 2016 U.S. election to prevent Hillary Clinton[11] from winning the presidency.[12] Multiple U.S intelligence agencies concluded people with direct ties to the Kremlin gav…

> Can we get a transcript from what was said in court?

In English courts transcriptions are prepared by a private company and you have no right to see them. You can ask but if you're not involved in the case they will probably refuse.

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