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Assange offered pardon if he co-operated over email leak, UK court hears

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Re: Assange offered pardon if he co-operated over email leak, UK court hears

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Post by fit2rule »

datashow wrote: post #14
sschueller wrote: post #2

This makes no sense. Julian already stated that Russia had nothing to do with the DNC leaks. From wikipedia [1]: On December 9, 2016, the CIA told U.S. legislators that the U.S. Intelligence Community concluded Russia conducted operations during the 2016 U.S. election to prevent Hillary Clinton[11] from winning the presidency.[12] Multiple U.S intelligence agencies concluded people with direct ties to the Kremlin gav…

Can we really trust CIA and the "multiple U.S intelligence agencies" on this issue? I have no idea.

Magic democraticly-elected-sovereign-leader-murdering 8-ball says: "No."

Re: Assange offered pardon if he co-operated over email leak, UK court hears

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Post by derision »

sjg007 wrote: post #6
sschueller wrote: post #2

This makes no sense. Julian already stated that Russia had nothing to do with the DNC leaks. From wikipedia [1]: On December 9, 2016, the CIA told U.S. legislators that the U.S. Intelligence Community concluded Russia conducted operations during the 2016 U.S. election to prevent Hillary Clinton[11] from winning the presidency.[12] Multiple U.S intelligence agencies concluded people with direct ties to the Kremlin gav…

His source may not have been Russia but that source may have gotten them from Russia.

The theory I've heard is Seth Rich stole the emails via USB and sent them to WikiLeaks after the nomination was stolen from Bernie in 2016 and he recognized the corruption inside the DNC. Reports from the investigation into the hack suggest the data transfer rate matches USB transfer speeds. Seth Rich was later murdered in what was deemed a robbery, but neither his wallet nor watch were removed from his body

Re: Assange offered pardon if he co-operated over email leak, UK court hears

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Post by jasonlotito »

fit2rule wrote: post #18
rtkwe wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah I'm not convinced Assange would recognize or care to look hard enough to figure out if his source was a simple cut out.

You honestly can't fathom a situation where Assange would know for sure Russia wasn't involved? Is everyone in America to be considered a suspected Russian agent now? Because there is a scenario: Assange got the DNC leaks directly from someone in authority in the DNC, itself, knows the person, and knows they don't work for Russia (because the person already has high-level clearances/was rigorously vetted/etc.)

I mean, being vetted doesn't mean you aren't working for a foreign country. Need I say more?

Re: Assange offered pardon if he co-operated over email leak, UK court hears

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Post by rtkwe »

fit2rule wrote: post #18
rtkwe wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah I'm not convinced Assange would recognize or care to look hard enough to figure out if his source was a simple cut out.

You honestly can't fathom a situation where Assange would know for sure Russia wasn't involved? Is everyone in America to be considered a suspected Russian agent now? Because there is a scenario: Assange got the DNC leaks directly from someone in authority in the DNC, itself, knows the person, and knows they don't work for Russia (because the person already has high-level clearances/was rigorously vetted/etc.)

Where did I say I can't fathom that situation for starters? From all indications from the DNC to the US Intelligence community it wasn't someone inside the DNC so absent any information from Assange/Wikileaks I have no reason to believe it's anyone else. Also we know from the War files that Wikileaks doesn't go through the documents provided to remove things like personal names to protect locals who did simple things like working as translators etc. so I'm not too convinced they'd look particular hard at exactly who was sending them the info.

Re: Assange offered pardon if he co-operated over email leak, UK court hears

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Post by _bxg1 »

The level of brazen corruption this administration has been getting away with is absolutely staggering. At least when Nixon did it people had the decency to be upset. There's not even a pretense of integrity any more; this is the new normal.

Our democracy is crumbling.

Re: Assange offered pardon if he co-operated over email leak, UK court hears

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Post by jayd16 »

fit2rule wrote: post #17
sschueller wrote: post #2

This makes no sense. Julian already stated that Russia had nothing to do with the DNC leaks. From wikipedia [1]: On December 9, 2016, the CIA told U.S. legislators that the U.S. Intelligence Community concluded Russia conducted operations during the 2016 U.S. election to prevent Hillary Clinton[11] from winning the presidency.[12] Multiple U.S intelligence agencies concluded people with direct ties to the Kremlin gav…

I think the anti-Assange/anti-Trump clan are trying to get ahead of this story and positioning it as if it were another quid pro quo situation, which is insidious and duplicitous to say the least - because actually there are a lot of political hacks who are headed for deep embarrassment if Assange can demonstrate that, indeed, Russia was not behind the DNC leak which embarrassed Clinton and 'cost her the election'. T…

In what world is this not a quid pro quo and political extortion of Assange? The president should not be involved and withholding a pardon to squeeze out political favors is not acceptable in any form.

Re: Assange offered pardon if he co-operated over email leak, UK court hears

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Post by fit2rule »

rtkwe wrote: post #24
fit2rule wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You honestly can't fathom a situation where Assange would know for sure Russia wasn't involved? Is everyone in America to be considered a suspected Russian agent now? Because there is a scenario: Assange got the DNC leaks directly from someone in authority in the DNC, itself, knows the person, and knows they don't work for Russia (because the person already has high-level clearances/was rigorously vetted/etc.)

Where did I say I can't fathom that situation for starters? From all indications from the DNC to the US Intelligence community it wasn't someone inside the DNC so absent any information from Assange/Wikileaks I have no reason to believe it's anyone else. Also we know from the War files that Wikileaks doesn't go through the documents provided to remove things like personal names to protect locals who did simple things…

DNC wouldn't know. US Intelligence community wouldn't know.

Only Assange knows where he got the data. Why is it so easy for you to trust entities that were not involved in the leak so easily, yet disregard Assange's own agency over knowing/understanding where he got the data?

Is it because you maybe just don't like Assange as a person?

I mean, not vetting documents is one thing. But, actively engaging in election interference all over the world is another thing. Assange did the former - your beloved intelligence agency, are currently doing the latter. Its reasonable to assume that US Intelligence agencies are lying, utterly, to give themselves yet more budget for nefarious deeds - i.e. the "Ma' Russkies" narrative, which serves only to foment more hatred...

Re: Assange offered pardon if he co-operated over email leak, UK court hears

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Post by ryanobjc »

_bxg1 wrote: post #25

The level of brazen corruption this administration has been getting away with is absolutely staggering. At least when Nixon did it people had the decency to be upset. There's not even a pretense of integrity any more; this is the new normal. Our democracy is crumbling.

"Please dont talk about politics on hackernews"

Channeling the site operators a bit for you. Remember that politics is things like "who should win or lose in society?" and "who is even human and deserves civil rights, or the right to vote?"

Honestly it always seemed obvious to me that any hacker would see that "civil rights should belong to everyone" and "we should all strive to everyone can win" as not only tautologies but basic moral prerogatives. But I am so so sad to learn here on HN that may not be so. Either that or there is a ton of non-hackers here.

Re: Assange offered pardon if he co-operated over email leak, UK court hears

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Post by davidw »

_bxg1 wrote: post #25

The level of brazen corruption this administration has been getting away with is absolutely staggering. At least when Nixon did it people had the decency to be upset. There's not even a pretense of integrity any more; this is the new normal. Our democracy is crumbling.

It feels gut wrenching; like some kind of bad dream to watch it happen before my eyes. Like... is this really happening?

Re: Assange offered pardon if he co-operated over email leak, UK court hears

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Post by _bxg1 »

ryanobjc wrote: post #28
_bxg1 wrote: post #25

The level of brazen corruption this administration has been getting away with is absolutely staggering. At least when Nixon did it people had the decency to be upset. There's not even a pretense of integrity any more; this is the new normal. Our democracy is crumbling.

"Please dont talk about politics on hackernews" Channeling the site operators a bit for you. Remember that politics is things like "who should win or lose in society?" and "who is even human and deserves civil rights, or the right to vote?" Honestly it always seemed obvious to me that any hacker would see that "civil rights should belong to everyone" and "we should all strive to everyone can win" as not only tautolog…

This is even more basic than that, though. This is about the proper-functioning of a system. I think we can all agree that our democratic system is important and that individuals who undermine it for their own gain are doing something morally wrong. That's not a partisan issue (though somehow, in our current Congress, it has managed to become one).
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