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ThinkPads 2020 - X13 AMD - X1 Nano?

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Re: ThinkPads 2020 - X13 AMD - X1 Nano?

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Post by speedgoose »

japhyr wrote: post #51

I was feeling pulled back towards non-mac laptops for a variety of reasons, but I think I just came up with a good strategy looking forward. If I were just doing my own dev work, I'd probably have a well-specced thinkpad running some version of linux. But I need to support people using all OSes, so I need a mac. If I need a mac, I'd like that to be my only computer, and just run windows and linux in VMs. I got a 13"…

The Mac mini is terribly overpriced. If you are going to replace your laptop by a desktop computer, get a descent GPU. That's nice.

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Post by shmerl »

eropple wrote: post #50
shmerl wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They should just have more than one USB-C / USB4 port. Having just one is ridiculous.

USB-C is USB3, not USB4. And every X-series Thinkpad has at least two, as far as I know.

In the future USB4 will replace USB-C, so I wrote about both current and future cases.

My E495 has only one and it's rather annoying (since it's also used for charging).

Re: ThinkPads 2020 - X13 AMD - X1 Nano?

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Post by lostgame »

japhyr wrote: post #51

I was feeling pulled back towards non-mac laptops for a variety of reasons, but I think I just came up with a good strategy looking forward. If I were just doing my own dev work, I'd probably have a well-specced thinkpad running some version of linux. But I need to support people using all OSes, so I need a mac. If I need a mac, I'd like that to be my only computer, and just run windows and linux in VMs. I got a 13"…

It’s an unfortunate and expensive approach that would unnecessary if Apple would only at least step short of soldering the SSD/RAM to the Logic Board.

Years ago, we didn’t have this problem. I don’t know I’ll ever be able to buy an Apple laptop again at this point. I refuse to pay $1200+ for something I can’t upgrade a year or two later.

Re: ThinkPads 2020 - X13 AMD - X1 Nano?

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Post by lozaning »

sail0rm00n wrote: post #28
lostgame wrote: post #21

ThinkPads make better MacBook Pros than Apple-official products - by far and large. I’ve got a 2017 MacBook Pro and a 2016 Lenovo ThinkPad and the ThinkPad runs circles around it. It’s also literally a hybrid drawing tablet laptop running MacOS - so unimaginably useful as a creative - and something Apple doesn’t offer, unless you want half-baked iOS software (no Illustrator, no Animate, no Blender) on an iPad Pro. Ev…

Are you running macOS on your thinkpads? Do you have details on how to do so? Super curious if that’s the case.

Yep, very easy. It'll take you maybe 4 hours, most of which will be downloading the prebuilt image of Catalina and watching install bar progress.

https://github.com/mighildotcom/X230-Hackintosh is the guide i followed, it is very x230 specific, but should give you a good idea of the overall process.

Very occasionally I'll have a slight issue with resume from sleep, but otherwise pretty much everything just works. You will need to buy a new wifi card, and depending which you want to use may need to reflash a modified bios to get rid of the whitelist.

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Post by westoque »

lostgame wrote: post #21

ThinkPads make better MacBook Pros than Apple-official products - by far and large. I’ve got a 2017 MacBook Pro and a 2016 Lenovo ThinkPad and the ThinkPad runs circles around it. It’s also literally a hybrid drawing tablet laptop running MacOS - so unimaginably useful as a creative - and something Apple doesn’t offer, unless you want half-baked iOS software (no Illustrator, no Animate, no Blender) on an iPad Pro. Ev…

> Forgot to mention the #1 benefit - replaceable HDD/SSD and upgradable RAM.

Also this. I just bought a new 16" Macbook Pro because I just maxed out the SSD in my 2015 Macbook Pro due to all the Docker images and generally all the data that I have. It was running perfectly and I wouldn't even think about upgrading if the storage was upgradable.

The next best thing to buy an upgrade kit from iFixit and spend some precious time just to upgrade the SSD.

Re: ThinkPads 2020 - X13 AMD - X1 Nano?

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Post by aortega »

lordleft wrote: post #46
aortega wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have this on my P52 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GP107GLM [Quadro P2000 Mobile] It's enough for most games. However buying a thinkpad for gaming is like buying a Tank to do groceries.

I know, and I guess if I'm mobile would I be doing heavy gaming anyway? I'd probably just play roguelikes and magic arena

Yeah, workstations for work, playstations for play :)

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

pengaru wrote: post #39
brtkdotse wrote: post #19

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USB-C transfers power as well. Are you really using cds and floppies in the year of our lord 2020, or are you just strawmanning?

Burning cds/dvds is still a very convenient and dense affordable form of offline storage for backups and/or content hoarding.

Doesn't optical media degrade to the point of no longer being readable after a few years?

Re: ThinkPads 2020 - X13 AMD - X1 Nano?

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Post by whatsmyusername »

lostgame wrote: post #21

ThinkPads make better MacBook Pros than Apple-official products - by far and large. I’ve got a 2017 MacBook Pro and a 2016 Lenovo ThinkPad and the ThinkPad runs circles around it. It’s also literally a hybrid drawing tablet laptop running MacOS - so unimaginably useful as a creative - and something Apple doesn’t offer, unless you want half-baked iOS software (no Illustrator, no Animate, no Blender) on an iPad Pro. Ev…

We buy refurb MacBook pros. Our specs are 256g ssd, 16g memory, hexcore + Applecare. We buy 15in machines because the vast majority of the company wanted 15in machines and I'm barely going to put the brain juice in to support one line of machines let alone two.

You're paying around $2.2/2.5k a piece. We buy 1 or 2 every month depending on hiring or whenever I find someone who has a machine like the one you describe (128g/8g ew).

Similar x1 carbon off amazon is maybe $1.2k with taxs, no apple care.

Say we buy 15 in a year, math:

Apple/applecare = $2.5k * 15 = $37.5k

Lenovo = $1.2k * 15 = $18k + say $50kish for a decent help desk employee because there's no way in hell I'm working 60 hour weeks on product AND dealing with laptops beyond, 'run diagnostics and take it to the apple store.'

The value proposition isn't hard. We're going with the MacBook Pros. For the grand total of 5 people who have to have windows for reasons we just run bootcamp.

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