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Facebook Hit by Apple’s Crackdown on Messaging Feature

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Re: Facebook Hit by Apple’s Crackdown on Messaging Feature

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Post by lyctc »

freehunter wrote: post #58
rwc wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nice, thank you! And thank you to The Information for sharing quality journalism with the HN community.

This is pretty nice and I was considering subscribing because of them lifting the paywall but it doesn’t seem like they show the subscription cost until after you’ve given them your email address and created a password? I always assume if you have to ask the price, you can’t afford it. It just seems when you click the “subscribe now” button it would tell you the price of the subscription on the next page.

The footer's Payment Policy says:

Monthly – $39

Annually – $399

Re: Facebook Hit by Apple’s Crackdown on Messaging Feature

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Post by therealmarv »

zacwest wrote: post #38
therealmarv wrote: post #12

Essence from this site (from my understanding, read the whole article): WhatsApp is using VoIP iOS features to display end2end encrypted notifications in iOS. This loophole will be closed on iOS13. So either WhatsApp does not display any notifications text on iOS13 with WhatsApp or WhatsApp will remove end2end encryption for the sake of having notifications with text on iOS. This is really alarming for privacy. Seems…

It's not the case that they would need to give up encrypted notifications. Developers can support end-to-end encrypted notifications by creating a UNNotificationServiceExtension[1]. This is an extension which receives and can mutate the notification before it's shown to the user. [1]: https://developer.apple.com/documentation/usernotifications/... Straight from Apple's documentation: > For example, you could use the…

Thanks for the link. So when FB/WhatsApp will adapt it will work as before. That's great news.

Re: Facebook Hit by Apple’s Crackdown on Messaging Feature

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Post by buzzert »

airstrike wrote: post #54
irrational wrote: post #30

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Also autocomplete. I had a samsung phone running android that was almost omniscient in knowing what I wanted to type or keeping track of what I had just been reading or searching for and giving me suggestions based on that (like if I had been reading about a restaurant and then went to send a text to my wife it would give me prompts about the restaurant, which is exactly what I wanted). iOS autocomplete is woefully s…

Just install SwiftKey. The native iOS keyboard is absolutely appalling, I don't wish it upon my worst enemy...

Why is it appalling? Can you be more specific?

Re: Facebook Hit by Apple’s Crackdown on Messaging Feature

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Post by killjoywashere »

That last line though:

> more of a focus on privacy from the operating systems, and the impact that that can have on measurements and also on targeting.

That could have been lifted from an NSA brief. I don't think people realize just how much "targeting" really is indistinguishable from military targeting.

Re: Facebook Hit by Apple’s Crackdown on Messaging Feature

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Post by shakna »

SeanBoocock wrote: post #60
brianpgordon wrote: post #48

> “To be clear—we are using the PushKit VoIP API to deliver a world-class, private messaging experience, not for the purpose of collecting data." I think we must be at the point where it's arguably irresponsible journalism for The Information to broadcast a claim like that from Facebook without immediately pointing out the occasions in the past when identical claims about data collection have turned out to be barefac…

> "I think we must be at the point where it's arguably irresponsible journalism for The Information to broadcast a claim like that from Facebook without immediately pointing out the occasions in the past when identical claims about data collection have turned out to be barefaced lies." I am struggling to recall any unambiguous instances like you suggest, especially anything rising to the level of "barefaced lies". Wh…

The time they collected phone numbers for express reason of 2FA, and then began using them to lookup and connect contacts?

Re: Facebook Hit by Apple’s Crackdown on Messaging Feature

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Post by SeanBoocock »

shakna wrote: post #66
SeanBoocock wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "I think we must be at the point where it's arguably irresponsible journalism for The Information to broadcast a claim like that from Facebook without immediately pointing out the occasions in the past when identical claims about data collection have turned out to be barefaced lies." I am struggling to recall any unambiguous instances like you suggest, especially anything rising to the level of "barefaced lies". Wh…

The time they collected phone numbers for express reason of 2FA, and then began using them to lookup and connect contacts?

Do you have any links with contemporaneous public messaging from Facebook about that? I am curious because the OP made a strong claim: that Facebook deliberately and specifically misled the public; and that there have been so many instances of this exposed that any journalist who fails to cite them is negligent.

Re: Facebook Hit by Apple’s Crackdown on Messaging Feature

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Post by brianpgordon »

SeanBoocock wrote: post #60
brianpgordon wrote: post #48

> “To be clear—we are using the PushKit VoIP API to deliver a world-class, private messaging experience, not for the purpose of collecting data." I think we must be at the point where it's arguably irresponsible journalism for The Information to broadcast a claim like that from Facebook without immediately pointing out the occasions in the past when identical claims about data collection have turned out to be barefac…

> "I think we must be at the point where it's arguably irresponsible journalism for The Information to broadcast a claim like that from Facebook without immediately pointing out the occasions in the past when identical claims about data collection have turned out to be barefaced lies." I am struggling to recall any unambiguous instances like you suggest, especially anything rising to the level of "barefaced lies". Wh…

Some examples I dug up, in chronological order:

https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/press-releases/2011/11/faceb...

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2018/03/faceb...

https://daringfireball.net/linked/2018/09/27/hill-facebook

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/18/technology/facebook-priva... / https://twitter.com/SenBlumenthal/status/1003643865797218304 / https://twitter.com/davidcicilline/status/100346971021689241...

https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2019/03/02/facebook-...

Re: Facebook Hit by Apple’s Crackdown on Messaging Feature

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Post by jazzyjackson »

alexanderchr wrote: post #51
codeulike wrote: post #19

I've noticed something sneaky about Facebook on my phone. I refuse to install their apps but I do use Facebook a bit so I use it via the phone Browser (in my case, Chrome on Android). I've noticed that sometimes Facebook shows a fake 'youve got a message' icon to try and trick you into installing their messenger app. To re-produce this behaviour: (this works best if you dont get a lot of facebook messages. Also you n…

I don't think it's intentional. Facebook has had this bug for several years. Interestingly one of the reasons they created react/flux was to fix it: https://youtu.be/nYkdrAPrdcw (15 minute mark)

Well the notification icons still don't retain state no matter what device I'm on, as in, I can check my notifications, determine that nothing exciting happened, and open the app 10 minutes later and have a red icon for the same notifications.

Sometimes I wonder what 1,000 programmers do all day

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Post by usefulcat »

charlesju wrote: post #13
hart_russell wrote: post #2

+1 to Apple's track record for user privacy. I do not regret switching from Android to iOS (even if siri is woefully behind the voice assistant game)

What voice assistant features do you miss? I've never used Android so I'm curious.

I use it all the time to set reminders. "Ok Google. At 2 PM next Tuesday remind me to ".
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