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Re: An American Black Site

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Post by maxheadroom »

iooi wrote: post #39
josefresco wrote: post #26

Setting aside this specific situation. Let's say you run a prison, and an inmate goes on a "hunger strike" for a reason that's important to them. What should the prison operators do? Force feed the inmate, negotiate, give into their demands, or let them die? Let's say you try to negotiate, but the inmate is making unreasonable demands or you are not willing to meet their demands, then what?

To everyone saying to let them die, then where is the punishment? Most terrorists would rather and, in fact, intend to die during their attacks. If you let them die, not only are you giving them what they want, but then there is no deterrent to carrying out suicide missions.

>...but then there is no deterrent...

The deterrent premise is as old as at least the Inquisition (12th century) and has worked out quite well to reduce crime and recidivism rates in the world to nigh zero levels in the centuries since... /s

Re: An American Black Site

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Post by [deleted] »

iooi wrote: post #39
josefresco wrote: post #26

Setting aside this specific situation. Let's say you run a prison, and an inmate goes on a "hunger strike" for a reason that's important to them. What should the prison operators do? Force feed the inmate, negotiate, give into their demands, or let them die? Let's say you try to negotiate, but the inmate is making unreasonable demands or you are not willing to meet their demands, then what?

To everyone saying to let them die, then where is the punishment? Most terrorists would rather and, in fact, intend to die during their attacks. If you let them die, not only are you giving them what they want, but then there is no deterrent to carrying out suicide missions.

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Re: An American Black Site

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Post by [deleted] »

afandian wrote: post #11
bytematic wrote: post #5

Crazy how there are people out there that can live with performing these acts, or "reviewing" them even. How many thousands before they are completely desensitized?

The "Banality of Evil" is a useful idea when trying to understand how the Nazis did what they did. It's wrong to think that it was anyone other than 'normal' human beings who have committed atrocities through the ages. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eichmann_in_Jerusalem I've never been able to bring myself to read the book.

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Re: An American Black Site

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Post by plandis »

module0000 wrote: post #47

This is mortifying and humiliating. It makes me ashamed to be associated(by being a citizen and armed services veteran) with the country. I suppose I could speak out and try to change things...but I fear that doing so would ensure a similar fate for myself; rotting away in a secret prison, while my family is threatened with prosecution if they talk about it. It's all happy times here in the USA, anyone that will tell…

Do you have any proof that:

1.) The US is imprisoning people who speak out against bad things happening in the US? 2.) Any proof of citizens being forced into re-education facilities?

Re: An American Black Site

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Post by roboys »

dtornabene wrote: post #32
T4NG wrote: post #18

Why isn't there more of a highlight on Salameh's actual charges. This is grossly glossed over especially when understanding what you have to do to land oneself in a blacksite to begin with.

yeah, tell that to the black teenagers dragged to Homan Square in Chicago

Secret prisons for citizens in 2019 Chicago? Shocking to hear about, America is truly lost.

What do we do when we hear about citizen torture administered by the state? I expect the news coming out will only get worse from here.

Re: An American Black Site

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Post by roboys »

mikeash wrote: post #45
AnimalMuppet wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, what's your alternative? The death penalty? Release them?

Make your prisons humane, don’t force-feed anyone, and accept the condemnation that occurs when one of your prisoners decides to starve himself to death anyway.

If prisons get too humane shareholders don't make as much profit, that's the real problem.

Re: An American Black Site

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Post by anbop »

module0000 wrote: post #47

This is mortifying and humiliating. It makes me ashamed to be associated(by being a citizen and armed services veteran) with the country. I suppose I could speak out and try to change things...but I fear that doing so would ensure a similar fate for myself; rotting away in a secret prison, while my family is threatened with prosecution if they talk about it. It's all happy times here in the USA, anyone that will tell…

Who in a US prison is there for speaking out and trying to change things? Name one.

Re: An American Black Site

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Post by anbop »

plorkyeran wrote: post #53
iooi wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To everyone saying to let them die, then where is the punishment? Most terrorists would rather and, in fact, intend to die during their attacks. If you let them die, not only are you giving them what they want, but then there is no deterrent to carrying out suicide missions.

I don't see any reason to believe that the fear of prison should they fail to die has ever, or will ever, deter even a single person from carrying out a suicide mission.

The lack of deterrent effect doesn’t mean that society’s desire for punishment vanishes. If there was a treatment that could make Osama Bin Laden a perfectly normal accountant in Des Moines I would not advocate for it compared to a trial and execution.

Re: An American Black Site

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Post by anbop »

threezero wrote: post #3

The author really glossed over the reasons for the communications ban imposed on the terrorist prisoner - multiple people he spoke with ended up committing terrorist acts. Seems like a good enough reason to completely cut him off. In addition, the author really stretches when she complains that they brought in a gallon of liquid to feed him. If you’ve tried to feed a prisoner multiple times and you know they’re going…

If he’s directing terrorist attacks from jail maybe the smarter move is to not force feed him.

Re: An American Black Site

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Post by hdfbdtbcdg »

anbop wrote: post #67
module0000 wrote: post #47

This is mortifying and humiliating. It makes me ashamed to be associated(by being a citizen and armed services veteran) with the country. I suppose I could speak out and try to change things...but I fear that doing so would ensure a similar fate for myself; rotting away in a secret prison, while my family is threatened with prosecution if they talk about it. It's all happy times here in the USA, anyone that will tell…

Who in a US prison is there for speaking out and trying to change things? Name one.

Manning is currently in prison for refusing the illegal attempt to abuse a grand jury to make her testify when the grand jury has already made a charge and should have no further role.
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