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Re: An American Black Site

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Crazy how there are people out there that can live with performing these acts, or "reviewing" them even. How many thousands before they are completely desensitized?

The "Banality of Evil" is a useful idea when trying to understand how the Nazis did what they did. It's wrong to think that it was anyone other than 'normal' human beings who have committed atrocities through the ages.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eichmann_in_Jerusalem

I've never been able to bring myself to read the book.

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post #9

Why are western nations retreating from any semblance of the moral high ground?

It's our moral high ground that stops us from killing the terrorist or letting him starve himself to death.

It's your moral high ground that keeps him alive so you can torture him by forcing ground food into his rectum using the largest, most painful, and most damaging tubes available as a form of "total behavior control" (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2014/dec/09/cia-report-r...).

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Wow, can't believe how one sided some people can be and still call themselves journalists. This is the only mention of why he is in jail:

> After his conviction in 1994 on terrorism-related charges

A euphemism if I ever heard one, he was directly involved in the 1993 WTC bombing [1], way to gloss over that..

I'm not justifying "torture", but it puts things in perspective. Six people died in that attack, including a pregnant woman seven months into her term. Hard to have sympathy for the perpetrators.

Not to mention the similarities of a hunger strike to terrorism, since he can't harm other people he's holding a gun to his own head to force the institution to change is policies.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammed_A._Salameh

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Why are western nations retreating from any semblance of the moral high ground?

We aren't retreating from anything, it's just that in this political climate it's hard to continue to scream about moral high ground when the reality always seems to come crashing through.

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post #13

Wow, can't believe how one sided some people can be and still call themselves journalists. This is the only mention of why he is in jail: > After his conviction in 1994 on terrorism-related charges A euphemism if I ever heard one, he was directly involved in the 1993 WTC bombing [1], way to gloss over that.. I'm not justifying "torture", but it puts things in perspective. Six people died in that attack, including a p…

We don't demand Supermax treatment for 5 victims, or 4 or 3 so why now? And it's hard to take your lust for draconian punishment seriously when many in the US are celebrating Gallagher who is up for shooting elderly and children.

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post #13

Wow, can't believe how one sided some people can be and still call themselves journalists. This is the only mention of why he is in jail: > After his conviction in 1994 on terrorism-related charges A euphemism if I ever heard one, he was directly involved in the 1993 WTC bombing [1], way to gloss over that.. I'm not justifying "torture", but it puts things in perspective. Six people died in that attack, including a p…

When you start a sentence with "I'm not justifying 'torture,' but..." you really need to take a very long hard look at what you're saying.

Either this treatment isn't acceptable for anyone, or it is. If you think it is, own it. If it isn't, then it doesn't matter what he's in for.

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post #9

Why are western nations retreating from any semblance of the moral high ground?

It's our moral high ground that stops us from killing the terrorist or letting him starve himself to death.

That's an extremely low bar, particularly when you consider the detention conditions of Anders Breivik.

Norway imprisoned Breivik in the most comfortable conditions possible; in doing so, they neutered his message. They showed that he was weak and they were strong. They took someone who could have been a far-right martyr and turned him into a pathetic figure, slowly fading into irrelevance in a gilded cage.

That's what real power looks like - no fear, no anger, no hatred, just the calm machinations of a compassionate state. By choosing not to retaliate, the Norwegian government demonstrated the futility of Breivik's actions with perfect clarity.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-35813470

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Why isn't there more of a highlight on Salameh's actual charges. This is grossly glossed over especially when understanding what you have to do to land oneself in a blacksite to begin with.

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post #18

Why isn't there more of a highlight on Salameh's actual charges. This is grossly glossed over especially when understanding what you have to do to land oneself in a blacksite to begin with.

"It’s for this reason that I didn’t ask Salameh to tell me about his crimes. The harm he caused should not be forgotten, but it must be held apart. Under international law, the right to be free from torture is inalienable and absolute—and that protects all of us."

Re: An American Black Site

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post #13

Wow, can't believe how one sided some people can be and still call themselves journalists. This is the only mention of why he is in jail: > After his conviction in 1994 on terrorism-related charges A euphemism if I ever heard one, he was directly involved in the 1993 WTC bombing [1], way to gloss over that.. I'm not justifying "torture", but it puts things in perspective. Six people died in that attack, including a p…

We don't demand Supermax treatment for 5 victims, or 4 or 3 so why now? And it's hard to take your lust for draconian punishment seriously when many in the US are celebrating Gallagher who is up for shooting elderly and children.

> lust for draconian punishment

That's a bit harsh, I was just pointing out that this guy is directly responsible for six deaths and it should be taken into the context of the article.

> so why now?

But to your main point, there's a big, big difference between a shooting from a disgruntled employee and a coordinated terrorist attack. The later is deliberately killing and creating an atmosphere of terror for political means. They intend to change US policy -- or else.

Do you think countries should take these attacks in stride, and change their policies to what the terrorists want? Should the perpetrators always get the minimum sentence? Should we release them and give them visas to stay in the country? Where is the line?

> These letters made three demands: an end to all US aid to Israel, an end to US diplomatic relations with Israel, and a pledge by the United States to end interference "with any of the Middle East countries' interior affairs." He stated that the attack on the World Trade Center would be merely the first of such attacks if his demands were not met. In his letters, Yousef admitted that the World Trade Center bombing was an act of terrorism, but this was justified because "the terrorism that Israel practices (which America supports) must be faced with a similar one."

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