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Google CEO will testify before U.S. House panel in November

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Re: Google CEO will testify before U.S. House panel in November

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Post by jimbobimbo »

someonelse17 wrote: post #28
simula67 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't like the idea that Google or any other entity can control how I think by presenting only one side of a story when the other side may have a reasonable objection, because it does not fit the politics of the operators of a platform. This is within the spirit of free speech. I think it fair to say that if Google wants to be a publisher, they should be held accountable to the content they publish. If they want to…

What you want and what the law allows are different things, also just don't let any entity control how you think. As for 'being held accountable' as publisher, I'm sure you're aware of many publishers that favor one side or one "viewpoint" in fact it's most of them, and they aren't being held accountable for that because we live in a free country.

They (publishers) actually are held accountable for the stuff they publish (e.g., publishing copyrighted material w/o permission will land you in the courtroom). This is why FB/Twitter/YouTube do not want to be publishers. However, because of their approach to moderation, they could wander in those waters.

Re: Google CEO will testify before U.S. House panel in November

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Post by someonelse17 »

jimbobimbo wrote: post #61
someonelse17 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What you want and what the law allows are different things, also just don't let any entity control how you think. As for 'being held accountable' as publisher, I'm sure you're aware of many publishers that favor one side or one "viewpoint" in fact it's most of them, and they aren't being held accountable for that because we live in a free country.

They (publishers) actually are held accountable for the stuff they publish (e.g., publishing copyrighted material w/o permission will land you in the courtroom). This is why FB/Twitter/YouTube do not want to be publishers. However, because of their approach to moderation, they could wander in those waters.

They're not held legally accountable for political views.

The copyright stuff applies to everyone already.

Re: Google CEO will testify before U.S. House panel in November

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Post by staticautomatic »

yourbandsucks wrote: post #56
staticautomatic wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then we can also say fuck the US justice system specifically. There's no reason to pretend they're somehow mutually exclusive.

Sure, but fairness would require a call for Google boycotting the US market in this case. Or maybe some moderation on the "boycott China because fuck them" stuff after sober reflection. Not hearing either of those.

Although being equitable can be a form a fairness, not all fair things are equitable. In any event, I couldn't care less if it's unfair to China and I don't think anyone else should, either. These are separate problems you're deliberately conflating.

Re: Google CEO will testify before U.S. House panel in November

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Post by dang »

someonelse17 wrote: post #7
math_and_stuff wrote: post #2

Hopefully he will testify about Project Dragonfly as well. Human rights concerns should not get lost in the noise of partisan politics. EDIT: Also, here is a slightly better stub article with an actual quote from Judiciary Chairman Bob Goodlatte. https://thehill.com/policy/technology/408972-house-judiciary...

Convening a hearing on a specific subject (silly as it as in this case) then making it an open season for all other grievances is another despicable aspect of these hearings.

We've banned this account, as we've banned many of your accounts before, for pushing propaganda for Google. Most recently https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17974966, and it goes back a long time before that. It's time you stopped abusing HN like this.

I hope it's obvious to everyone that it doesn't matter whether it's Google, $BigTechCo, or anything else being pushed this way. We have nothing against Google, this has nothing to do with what's in the press or making the rounds this week, and I'm sure that the many Googlers here are as put off by this behavior as the rest of HN. Plus they have an additional reason to be angry at you, for tarnishing their reputation.

Given that we spend our days asking HN users not to accuse each other of astroturfing without evidence—because doing that is such internet poison—few things make more steam come out my ears than finding actual evidence of this abuse. You couldn't do anything worse to wreck the cohesion of this community (edit: or put Google's standing in it more at risk—users here really care about this).

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Google CEO will testify before U.S. House panel in November

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Post by Aunche »

dx87 wrote: post #16
Aunche wrote: post #10

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Just because a company's leadership dislikes Trump doesn't mean they'll ruin the integrity of their product.

Maybe not intentionally, but as much as SV companies like to talk about unconsious biases causing discrimination, it never gets applied to supposedly neutral companies like Google that are currently being sued for how they discriminate against conservatives and white males. If their internal culture is constantly promoting liberal political ideals, would it really suprise you if the developers subconsciously create t…

I wouldn't find it suprising if Google punished conservative fake news more than liberal fake news. That said, I trust them infinitely more than the government. That's a huge conflict of interest, and the government has never been good at remaining impartial about anything. Just look at gerrymandering.

Re: Google CEO will testify before U.S. House panel in November

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Post by josefresco »

nil_pointer wrote: post #62
davidw wrote: post #24

They don't care about bias, they just want the bias to be in their favor. See: Fox news.

Why does everyone on here always just call out Fox? Are you not aware that CNN, MSNBC and others do this same thing?

Fox News is in no way "the same" as CNN/MSNBC. It's straight up GOP/conservative propaganda that in some cases dictates official policy.

Re: Google CEO will testify before U.S. House panel in November

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Post by dang »

justtopost wrote: post #39
someonelse17 wrote: post #36

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I'm not talking about Silicon Valley, I'm talking about all other industries in all countries, most Silicon Valley companies are banned in China, stop vilifying Silicon Valley. I'm sure these organizations are great and are doing wonderful work but they are not government entities and Google has no obligation to respond to them, further more these are non profits, attaching themselves to a high profile subject like G…

All your comments have at least two things in common. 1. A seemingly willful disreguard for the facts. 2. Another striking commonality that I can't aledge but a trip through your comments will bear out. The topic always seems to be common. The timing of the account creation is of course purely circumstantial. Draw your own conclusions, but to say that you are constructively adding to discussion would be a reach.

"Can't allege" is an oxymoron.

Please don't insinuate astroturfing in comment threads. If you think you're seeing abuse, email us at hn@ycombinator.com so we can investigate. We ban accounts when we find evidence of abuse (I've banned that one), but just dropping a comment in the thread makes it unlikely that we'll ever see it. It also poisons discussion in the case where the insinuation wrong, which is far more common.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Google CEO will testify before U.S. House panel in November

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Post by s73v3r_ »

beager wrote: post #35

Assuming that the testimony would be to a bipartisan group and presuming the polling is correct and the House flips to Dem control, could this be pushed back to 2019 and the GOP’s larger focus on political bias by Google de-emphasized? Wondering if that’s part of the play here.

If the House flips, that won't take effect til January. So the hearing will probably continue as scheduled, just with a Lame Duck Congress. Whether that means they'll be more blustery or less would remain to be seen.

Re: Google CEO will testify before U.S. House panel in November

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Post by s73v3r_ »

mc32 wrote: post #49
s73v3r_ wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"current admin believes “ fake news” rather than “the press” are the enemy of the people." But they also define "fake news" to be any outlet that isn't praising them constantly.

Yes, that’s pretty much true and of course it’s regrettable. But on the other hand even news that like to think themselves as neutral, say NPR, will, when interviewing a partisan follow the pattern thus: When interviewing liberals, don’t follow forcefully up on omissions or questinsble assertions. When interviewing a conservative (regular, not Trumpist) will bring up omissions or will follow up on questionable assett…

I can't say I can agree with that in the slightest, especially regarding NPR. I would say that they refuse to follow up on those assertions with conservatives quite often.

As far as embedding, I believe that is at the discretion of the campaign.

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