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Google CEO will testify before U.S. House panel in November

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Re: Google CEO will testify before U.S. House panel in November

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China has "disappeared" more than a million people recently as part of what is fundamentally an ethnic cleansing program. So, yeah, fuck China specifically . See https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/08/22/chinas-mass-internment-...

To put that number in perspective, the US has 2.2 million African Americans in “rehabilitation centres.”

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Re: Google CEO will testify before U.S. House panel in November

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Hopefully he will testify about Project Dragonfly as well. Human rights concerns should not get lost in the noise of partisan politics. EDIT: Also, here is a slightly better stub article with an actual quote from Judiciary Chairman Bob Goodlatte. https://thehill.com/policy/technology/408972-house-judiciary...

Why would the US House care about Google's business practices in China? I think Dragonfly is horrible, but why would the House care?

Who else is a company headquartered in the US that is willfully ignoring serious human rights concerns accountable to? This is exactly what government is for. And they certainly cared in 2007 when Yahoo was behaving similarly [0]. Hopefully Google doesn't want to become "moral pygmies".

[0] https://www.mercurynews.com/2007/11/06/lawmaker-scolds-yahoo...

Re: Google CEO will testify before U.S. House panel in November

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To put that number in perspective, the US has 2.2 million African Americans in “rehabilitation centres.”

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No, it's not. God I wish John Oliver never did that episode.

If you're singling out an entity as uniquely bad, and saying they should be treated in a unique way because of it, you have to justify that they're uniquely bad.

Re: Google CEO will testify before U.S. House panel in November

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China has "disappeared" more than a million people recently as part of what is fundamentally an ethnic cleansing program. So, yeah, fuck China specifically . See https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/08/22/chinas-mass-internment-...

To put that number in perspective, the US has 2.2 million African Americans in “rehabilitation centres.”

Then we can also say fuck the US justice system specifically. There's no reason to pretend they're somehow mutually exclusive.

Re: Google CEO will testify before U.S. House panel in November

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Maybe not intentionally, but as much as SV companies like to talk about unconsious biases causing discrimination, it never gets applied to supposedly neutral companies like Google that are currently being sued for how they discriminate against conservatives and white males. If their internal culture is constantly promoting liberal political ideals, would it really suprise you if the developers subconsciously create t…

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The definition of bigotry has tilted so far to the radical left that expressing simple, widely expected scientific findings get you labeled as a bigot/racist/sexist/alt-right/etc. The issue is not that they are discriminating against just conservative policy or thought. It is that any and all disagreement with radical leftist ideology is considered some form of hate speech in need of censorship.

Re: Google CEO will testify before U.S. House panel in November

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To put that number in perspective, the US has 2.2 million African Americans in “rehabilitation centres.”

Then we can also say fuck the US justice system specifically. There's no reason to pretend they're somehow mutually exclusive.

Sure, but fairness would require a call for Google boycotting the US market in this case. Or maybe some moderation on the "boycott China because fuck them" stuff after sober reflection.

Not hearing either of those.

Re: Google CEO will testify before U.S. House panel in November

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No, it's not. God I wish John Oliver never did that episode. If you're singling out an entity as uniquely bad, and saying they should be treated in a unique way because of it, you have to justify that they're uniquely bad.

The problem is that hand wavy arguments that appear to be equivalent are are upon deeper inspection, not. But, by the time you dig and invest into clarifying the differences and nullifying the equivalence, you’ve already diverted from the original topic.

This is why it is used by Politicians and shitty news channels, and this is why whataboutism needs to stop. Let’s focus objectively on the topic at hand.

Furthermore, justification should be based on moral underpinnings, idealistic values, rule of law and societal norms.

By pointing fingers at (what may not be true equivalence), is a massive distraction. Stop it please.

Re: Google CEO will testify before U.S. House panel in November

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Why would the US House care about Google's business practices in China? I think Dragonfly is horrible, but why would the House care?

Who else is a company headquartered in the US that is willfully ignoring serious human rights concerns accountable to? This is exactly what government is for. And they certainly cared in 2007 when Yahoo was behaving similarly [0]. Hopefully Google doesn't want to become "moral pygmies". [0] https://www.mercurynews.com/2007/11/06/lawmaker-scolds-yahoo...

That was 11 years ago. All other big tech firms are doing business in China, by China's rules. Google used to be better than that. It's very sad that that's changing, but again it doesn't seem like something that's relevant for the House.

Re: Google CEO will testify before U.S. House panel in November

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Who else is a company headquartered in the US that is willfully ignoring serious human rights concerns accountable to? This is exactly what government is for. And they certainly cared in 2007 when Yahoo was behaving similarly [0]. Hopefully Google doesn't want to become "moral pygmies". [0] https://www.mercurynews.com/2007/11/06/lawmaker-scolds-yahoo...

That was 11 years ago. All other big tech firms are doing business in China, by China's rules. Google used to be better than that. It's very sad that that's changing, but again it doesn't seem like something that's relevant for the House.

I fully support the US government regulating every US company that is willfully aiding in the violation of human rights for profit.

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No, it's not. God I wish John Oliver never did that episode. If you're singling out an entity as uniquely bad, and saying they should be treated in a unique way because of it, you have to justify that they're uniquely bad.

The problem is that hand wavy arguments that appear to be equivalent are are upon deeper inspection, not. But, by the time you dig and invest into clarifying the differences and nullifying the equivalence, you’ve already diverted from the original topic. This is why it is used by Politicians and shitty news channels, and this is why whataboutism needs to stop. Let’s focus objectively on the topic at hand. Furthermore…

The topic at hand is "fuck China specifically" in this subthread.

I point out similar behavior among other world powers, raise the question of what's so specific, and you call it whataboutism. You stop it. I was arguing to the topic in good faith.

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