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Google CEO will testify before U.S. House panel in November

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Re: Google CEO will testify before U.S. House panel in November

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't it? It's hard to interpret https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2018/09/12/leaked-video-googl... otherwise.

The politics of private citizens are their own business and explicitly not the government's. Furthermore even if that had any bearing on their search results whatever google presents on their own damn website is also none of the government's business.

It is if Google wants DMCA safe harbour protections

Re: Google CEO will testify before U.S. House panel in November

#12
post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't it? It's hard to interpret https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2018/09/12/leaked-video-googl... otherwise.

The politics of private citizens are their own business and explicitly not the government's. Furthermore even if that had any bearing on their search results whatever google presents on their own damn website is also none of the government's business.

It's funny to hear someone only ever make this argument when what is being censored is conservative. If it were the opposite way, and they were blocking results on, say, the travel ban, or competing startups, people would be up in arms.

Re: Google CEO will testify before U.S. House panel in November

#13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The politics of private citizens are their own business and explicitly not the government's. Furthermore even if that had any bearing on their search results whatever google presents on their own damn website is also none of the government's business.

It is if Google wants DMCA safe harbour protections

I'm not sure what's behind the recent prevalence to this theory but that is false.

Also we should all want section 230 protection it's what preserves free speech online and the principle on which the whole web economy is built.

Re: Google CEO will testify before U.S. House panel in November

#14
post #3

I don’t get it. What could Pichai possibly gain from participating in this kind of theatrics?

Maybe he's paying one forward for favorable outcome regarding antitrust investigations. Cases like this don't appear overnight, and they take just as long to adjudicate.

Re: Google CEO will testify before U.S. House panel in November

#15
post #8
post #3

I don’t get it. What could Pichai possibly gain from participating in this kind of theatrics?

Not appearing to be giving the finger to congress, as it looked when he failed to show up to the last set of hearings? Pissing off congress is rarely a good idea.

It's been a long time since Congress, who works for you and me, has in my opinion elucidated anything I didn't already know from one of these panels.

I'm not sure why Congress thinks it can at the drop of a hat order a CEO to participate in their media theatrics, and then pitch a fit when the company says "he/she is busy, we're going to send our top legal expert, who should know about the stuff you're concerned with (law) anyway."

Re: Google CEO will testify before U.S. House panel in November

#16
post #10
post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't it? It's hard to interpret https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2018/09/12/leaked-video-googl... otherwise.

Just because a company's leadership dislikes Trump doesn't mean they'll ruin the integrity of their product.

Maybe not intentionally, but as much as SV companies like to talk about unconsious biases causing discrimination, it never gets applied to supposedly neutral companies like Google that are currently being sued for how they discriminate against conservatives and white males. If their internal culture is constantly promoting liberal political ideals, would it really suprise you if the developers subconsciously create their products in a way that suppresses ideas they don't agree with? The same thing happened with Twitter where they were preventing only Republican Congress people from showing up on the news feed. They claimed to be neutral, yet somehow managed to implement an algorithm that affected 0 Democratic Congress people and a couple dozen Republican Congress people. Hopefully "Oops, it was the algorithm discriminating, not us" goes away as an excuse people accept.

Re: Google CEO will testify before U.S. House panel in November

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The politics of private citizens are their own business and explicitly not the government's. Furthermore even if that had any bearing on their search results whatever google presents on their own damn website is also none of the government's business.

It's funny to hear someone only ever make this argument when what is being censored is conservative. If it were the opposite way, and they were blocking results on, say, the travel ban, or competing startups, people would be up in arms.

I don't know about the prevalence of other opinions but what I'm suggesting (and there are many legal precedents to support this) is that the first amendment shields them from this nonsense as well as any antitrust allegations and complains about how some entitles think they should be featured in their results.

Re: Google CEO will testify before U.S. House panel in November

#18
post #3

I don’t get it. What could Pichai possibly gain from participating in this kind of theatrics?

I wasn't the one that downvoted you because there's a common misunderstanding that appearing before Congress is an optional invitation and therefore the people choosing to do it must be mentally insane or stupid since there's nothing to gain from it.

The reason people testify before Congress is because they ultimately have no choice. Congress has this nuclear option called a "subpoena"[1] to force you to appear.

Now, with prominent people like CEOs and baseball celebrities, it never escalates to the point of issuing a formal subpoena and having Federal marshalls arrest and forcibly drag them into Congressional chambers.

Instead what happens is that Congress members "ask nicely" for somebody to testify (e.g. Sundar Pichai) and then the CEO gets with his lawyers and then coordinates with Congress on a reasonable date to appear. Of course, the CEO can try some stalling tactics (e.g. talk to some Congress members "off the record", etc) to buy some time... but ultimately, he's going to have to face Congress sooner or later. The more promptly the requested witness willingly appears before Congress, the better it is for public perception.

It's better if the CEO shows cooperation with Congress. The totally opposite tactic is for the CEO to show up and refuse to answer any questions by constantly pleading the 5th Amendment through the entire proceeding. That would look really really bad.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contempt_of_Congress#Subpoenas

Re: Google CEO will testify before U.S. House panel in November

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Hopefully he will testify about Project Dragonfly as well. Human rights concerns should not get lost in the noise of partisan politics. EDIT: Also, here is a slightly better stub article with an actual quote from Judiciary Chairman Bob Goodlatte. https://thehill.com/policy/technology/408972-house-judiciary...

What exactly would an international corporation like Google gain if they'd start being a tool of American external politics and propaganda? Besides being kicked out of their other markets (EU, India, Russia) Trump considers enemies right now?

Re: Google CEO will testify before U.S. House panel in November

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post #19

Hopefully he will testify about Project Dragonfly as well. Human rights concerns should not get lost in the noise of partisan politics. EDIT: Also, here is a slightly better stub article with an actual quote from Judiciary Chairman Bob Goodlatte. https://thehill.com/policy/technology/408972-house-judiciary...

What exactly would an international corporation like Google gain if they'd start being a tool of American external politics and propaganda? Besides being kicked out of their other markets (EU, India, Russia) Trump considers enemies right now?

Respecting Article 19 of the 1948 UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights [0] and concerns from 14 human rights organizations [1] is not America specific. It is about not secretly sacrificing basic freedoms in exchange for access to markets.

[0] http://ccnmtl.columbia.edu/projects/mmt/udhr/article_19.html [1] https://www.hrw.org/news/2018/08/28/open-letter-google-repor...

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