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China’s Mass Internment Camps Have No Clear End in Sight

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Re: China’s Mass Internment Camps Have No Clear End in Sight

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Uighurs aren't Arab, so who cares? The new silk road money is more important.

Most Muslim aren't Arab. Only like 20% of Muslims are Arab.

And they're still treated like second class citizens by the religion as a whole. I saw this all the time when I spent some time in Senegal, a black Muslim nation.

Re: China’s Mass Internment Camps Have No Clear End in Sight

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post #60

This is extremely wrong. The official mood in China seems to be swinging ethno-nationalist, which is a recipe for human rights violations in any country, let alone one with limited juridical recourse and free speech. I don't think China will look back at this in a generation and think, we did the right thing .

> I don't think China will look back at this in a generation and think, we did the right thing.

Honest question: How many people in China currently know, care and/or feel regret about the 1989 Tiananmen Square massacre?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiananmen_Square_protests_of_1...

Re: China’s Mass Internment Camps Have No Clear End in Sight

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China is a communist dictatorship where you can be arrested and possibly murdered for saying the wrong thing. So this is not very surprising.

"communist dictatorship" is inexact enough to be outright dishonest. Their economy is obviously capitalist. And although Xi has been leaning towards more dictator-like behavior, they haven't been a dictatorship since Mao. It's more like a giant bureaucracy. They have a process, they have regular handovers of power. It's not "I am the law".

Then you don't know the difference between Maoism and Leninism. Basically, Maoists can live with any compromise in order to bring forth their communist ideals, even if the compromise is to backstab Soviet Union and open the door to the US (which they did in 1970s).

Re: China’s Mass Internment Camps Have No Clear End in Sight

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Where are the responses from Muslim countries?

I've found this very strange as well. Best guess is that it hasn't fully reached their populations / news audiences. It's only in the last four to six months that Western media has begun to actively talk about it and pursue the truth of what's going on there. Alternatively they don't protest China because they know it does no good. The Guantanamo Bay detention camp had less than a thousand total detainees over its hi…

> I've found this very strange as well.

Sad to say, I did not. Many majority-Muslim nations at current have ethno-nationalist tinges to them and a general low opinion of their religious and ethnic minority groups. Many are more interested in the money the Chinese government makes available for infrastructure than in some internal issue in China.

Re: China’s Mass Internment Camps Have No Clear End in Sight

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post #60

This is extremely wrong. The official mood in China seems to be swinging ethno-nationalist, which is a recipe for human rights violations in any country, let alone one with limited juridical recourse and free speech. I don't think China will look back at this in a generation and think, we did the right thing .

> I don't think China will look back at this in a generation and think, we did the right thing. Honest question: How many people in China currently know, care and/or feel regret about the 1989 Tiananmen Square massacre? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiananmen_Square_protests_of_1...

Can they even know that it happened? AFAIK China is very censored and they may not even be aware that such a thing occurred at all. Even assuming they were around at the time it happened, there may also be no way for them to find out.

Re: China’s Mass Internment Camps Have No Clear End in Sight

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post #60

This is extremely wrong. The official mood in China seems to be swinging ethno-nationalist, which is a recipe for human rights violations in any country, let alone one with limited juridical recourse and free speech. I don't think China will look back at this in a generation and think, we did the right thing .

Hah, you think the country that ground their own citizens up with tank treads and washed them down the drain cares?

Re: China’s Mass Internment Camps Have No Clear End in Sight

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post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most Muslim aren't Arab. Only like 20% of Muslims are Arab.

And they're still treated like second class citizens by the religion as a whole. I saw this all the time when I spent some time in Senegal, a black Muslim nation.

They saw themselves as second class or the Senegalese were treated this way by Arab muslims within Senegal?

Re: China’s Mass Internment Camps Have No Clear End in Sight

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

And they're still treated like second class citizens by the religion as a whole. I saw this all the time when I spent some time in Senegal, a black Muslim nation.

They saw themselves as second class or the Senegalese were treated this way by Arab muslims within Senegal?

Both.

Re: China’s Mass Internment Camps Have No Clear End in Sight

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't think China will look back at this in a generation and think, we did the right thing. Honest question: How many people in China currently know, care and/or feel regret about the 1989 Tiananmen Square massacre? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiananmen_Square_protests_of_1...

Can they even know that it happened? AFAIK China is very censored and they may not even be aware that such a thing occurred at all. Even assuming they were around at the time it happened, there may also be no way for them to find out.

People talk. In China I've also heard people say that even if they don't know all the details, they know something happened.
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