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China’s Mass Internment Camps Have No Clear End in Sight

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Re: China’s Mass Internment Camps Have No Clear End in Sight

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Post by BearilyHappy »

yourbandsucks wrote: post #32
BearilyHappy wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "communist dictatorship" is inexact enough to be outright dishonest. Describing an oligarchy as a communist dictatorship is near-equivalent. Far from dishonest. > Their economy is obviously capitalist It's capitalist at specific granularities. This is a derail, at best. > They have a process, they have regular handovers of power. So does an oligarchy.

Thank you! It's an oligarchy! Not a dictatorship! But they're not near-equivalent. Group vs individual. Politics are entirely different. Both deemphasize citizen rights but that doesn't make them the same! Why are people so offended that this distinction exists?

> But they're not near-equivalent.

> Group vs individual.

If the organizational operation isn't transparent, it's observably the same top-down dictatorship (worrying about one versus many is silly, insofar as no human governs alone).

Re: China’s Mass Internment Camps Have No Clear End in Sight

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Post by dang »

danjoc wrote: post #45
chrisBob wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you aware that your comment comes across as extremely racist? Punishing an entire ethnic group for a riot can't possibly be a good idea.

>Are you aware that your comment comes across as extremely racist? It's not racist at all. You're trying to discredit any discussion of moral upbringings by calling it that. Han Chinese and Uighurs were killed. Re-education seems like an appropriate response for people who support such violence on either side.

Racist or not, it's a breach of civility to slur an entire population. It's also massive trolling, in effect if not intent.

If you post like that again we will ban you.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Post by dang »

danjoc wrote: post #5

>Uighurs murdered almost 200 bystanders, mostly Han Chinese That's like murdering my entire high school. The internment camp idea seems like a good one. People who are this violent are the result of bad upbringing. They need to understand that murdering someone because of some perceived insult, transgression, or disagreement is not acceptable in a civil society. These people will be better off when they've been reedu…

This comment is beyond the pale. No more of this here, please.

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17820916 and marked it off-topic.

Re: China’s Mass Internment Camps Have No Clear End in Sight

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Post by dang »

perlpimp wrote: post #6
danjoc wrote: post #5

>Uighurs murdered almost 200 bystanders, mostly Han Chinese That's like murdering my entire high school. The internment camp idea seems like a good one. People who are this violent are the result of bad upbringing. They need to understand that murdering someone because of some perceived insult, transgression, or disagreement is not acceptable in a civil society. These people will be better off when they've been reedu…

Took no time for 50cent troops to show up

That's a breach of the HN guidelines in its own right, which rule out insinuations of astroturfing and shillage without evidence. Someone holding an opposing view or making a bad comment does not count as evidence. Please don't do this again.

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Post by dang »

RIMR wrote: post #21
danjoc wrote: post #5

>Uighurs murdered almost 200 bystanders, mostly Han Chinese That's like murdering my entire high school. The internment camp idea seems like a good one. People who are this violent are the result of bad upbringing. They need to understand that murdering someone because of some perceived insult, transgression, or disagreement is not acceptable in a civil society. These people will be better off when they've been reedu…

[flagged]

Please do not violate the site guidelines just because someone else did. That only makes this place go up in flames even more.

If you'd read the rules, you'd know that they ask you to flag egregious comments and not feed them by replying.

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Post by pnathan »

dang wrote: post #53
danjoc wrote: post #5

>Uighurs murdered almost 200 bystanders, mostly Han Chinese That's like murdering my entire high school. The internment camp idea seems like a good one. People who are this violent are the result of bad upbringing. They need to understand that murdering someone because of some perceived insult, transgression, or disagreement is not acceptable in a civil society. These people will be better off when they've been reedu…

This comment is beyond the pale. No more of this here, please. We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17820916 and marked it off-topic.

Thank you.

Re: China’s Mass Internment Camps Have No Clear End in Sight

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Post by [deleted] »

danjoc wrote: post #45
chrisBob wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you aware that your comment comes across as extremely racist? Punishing an entire ethnic group for a riot can't possibly be a good idea.

>Are you aware that your comment comes across as extremely racist? It's not racist at all. You're trying to discredit any discussion of moral upbringings by calling it that. Han Chinese and Uighurs were killed. Re-education seems like an appropriate response for people who support such violence on either side.

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Post by dang »

seibelj wrote: post #2

China is a communist dictatorship where you can be arrested and possibly murdered for saying the wrong thing. So this is not very surprising.

Please don't post grandiose national or ideological rhetoric to HN. It's at best flamebait and at worse trolling. Substantive discussion needs more thought than this.

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Post by pnathan »

This is extremely wrong. The official mood in China seems to be swinging ethno-nationalist, which is a recipe for human rights violations in any country, let alone one with limited juridical recourse and free speech. I don't think China will look back at this in a generation and think, we did the right thing.
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