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>Uighurs murdered almost 200 bystanders, mostly Han Chinese That's like murdering my entire high school. The internment camp idea seems like a good one. People who are this violent are the result of bad upbringing. They need to understand that murdering someone because of some perceived insult, transgression, or disagreement is not acceptable in a civil society. These people will be better off when they've been reedu…
China is a communist dictatorship where you can be arrested and possibly murdered for saying the wrong thing. So this is not very surprising.
"communist dictatorship" is inexact enough to be outright dishonest. Their economy is obviously capitalist. And although Xi has been leaning towards more dictator-like behavior, they haven't been a dictatorship since Mao. It's more like a giant bureaucracy. They have a process, they have regular handovers of power. It's not "I am the law".
China isn't organized by any free trade principles, they've just formalized their black markets and cronyism.
> It's more like a giant bureaucracy. They have a process, they have regular handovers of power. It's not "I am the law".
You're writing this on an article titled, "China’s Mass Internment Camps Have No Clear End in Sight," with the subtext, "Around 1 million Uighurs have disappeared without trial. Worse may come."
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"communist dictatorship" is inexact enough to be outright dishonest. Their economy is obviously capitalist. And although Xi has been leaning towards more dictator-like behavior, they haven't been a dictatorship since Mao. It's more like a giant bureaucracy. They have a process, they have regular handovers of power. It's not "I am the law".
While I agree with everything you just said, it seems to be true that in China you can get arrested for basically arbitrary reasons if someone doesn't like you. While it's not one man saying "I am the law", there is still a group saying it, and that group is the bureaucracy.
Slapping a bunch of incorrect trigger words together terminates thought.
>Uighurs murdered almost 200 bystanders, mostly Han Chinese That's like murdering my entire high school. The internment camp idea seems like a good one. People who are this violent are the result of bad upbringing. They need to understand that murdering someone because of some perceived insult, transgression, or disagreement is not acceptable in a civil society. These people will be better off when they've been reedu…
Are you aware that your comment comes across as extremely racist? Punishing an entire ethnic group for a riot can't possibly be a good idea.
It is literally the most racist thing I have ever seen posted on HN.
The STEM world needs fewer people like this - hopefully their handle will identify who they are so they can never be put into any position where they make meaningful decisions, because they are clearly philosophically unable to coexist with American anti-discrimination laws.
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"communist dictatorship" is inexact enough to be outright dishonest. Their economy is obviously capitalist. And although Xi has been leaning towards more dictator-like behavior, they haven't been a dictatorship since Mao. It's more like a giant bureaucracy. They have a process, they have regular handovers of power. It's not "I am the law".
> Their economy is obviously capitalist. Does mandated 50% local (aka party) ownership align with "obviously capitalist"? That seems a stretch (aka crony capitalist). Xi has asked for indefinitely long term of power and gotten it. Handover of power?
Where are the responses from Muslim countries?
A wide international, non-exclusively-Muslim, based response, on pure human rights grounds would possibly be a good thing. Unfortunately nobody in the world right now is interested/capable/etc. to respond to religious/ethnic/etc. cleansings on pure human rights grounds (of course there are responses when it comes to economic interests when it can be covered by human rights interests)
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"communist dictatorship" is inexact enough to be outright dishonest. Their economy is obviously capitalist. And although Xi has been leaning towards more dictator-like behavior, they haven't been a dictatorship since Mao. It's more like a giant bureaucracy. They have a process, they have regular handovers of power. It's not "I am the law".
All socialist and fascist states, even while suppressing markets was causing starvation, allowed some cronies to maintain businesses. That's where Putin got his start, for instance. China isn't organized by any free trade principles, they've just formalized their black markets and cronyism. > It's more like a giant bureaucracy. They have a process, they have regular handovers of power. It's not "I am the law". You're…
Dictatorship is about an individual. The chinese government has not been since Mao.
All non-western-democratic governments are not the same. They're not all some giant grab-bag of interchangeable scare words about communism, fascism, dictatorship.
Norway's a socialist state. Do they belong in your bucket too?
China is a communist dictatorship where you can be arrested and possibly murdered for saying the wrong thing. So this is not very surprising.
"communist dictatorship" is inexact enough to be outright dishonest. Their economy is obviously capitalist. And although Xi has been leaning towards more dictator-like behavior, they haven't been a dictatorship since Mao. It's more like a giant bureaucracy. They have a process, they have regular handovers of power. It's not "I am the law".
Their economy is the exact opposite of Capitalist in fact. It's de facto state controlled top to bottom.
1) The Chinese economy is overwhelmingly state owned or directly controlled. All the major banks are directly owned or controlled by the government. All of their major industries, such as steel, aluminum and energy, are directly owned or controlled by the government. Their largest electronics and telecom companies such as Huawei and China Mobile are directly commanded by the government.
2) No company may do anything out of lock-step with the government. Whether you're Alibaba or Baidu, you must obey at all times, no matter what the stray edict of the week is. You may not challenge the party. Ask Tencent about the government's damaging, arbitrary restrictions on gaming for example. [1]
3) There are no actual property rights. Your property may be revoked, taken from you at any time for any reason. You will not get it back, and you have no ability to challenge this in a court of law. The Chinese Government issues arbitrary rules non-stop that alter your property rights and how property may be used (including randomly choosing to restrict what's acceptable day to day; one day you may have joke apps, the next day they're illegal).
4) The entire economy operates on a system of bribes. You can't operate anything in China without paying bribes. There are no exceptions, whether you're trying to operate a small food business or put up a skyscraper. This means the rule of law is entirely lacking, which is why Transparency International ranks China #77 in the world on corruption.
5) The economy is entirely closed to normal foreign business operations. You can't just set up a business in China as a foreigner. You can't buy Chinese businesses outright, or in most cases take a majority ownership position. Contrast this with the US (which isn't even the best example): you can spend less than a thousand dollars with Stripe Atlas and set up a US corporation at any time, without permission, having never once visited the country and you own it outright.
6) Capital is locked down. You may not take your wealth and flee the country. You and your capital are held captive by their very tight capital controls. You can hardly legally get enough cash out of China to buy a middle class house these days.
7) As a Chinese business you may not operate outside of the country in any manner that the government disagrees with. They approve all large transactions and all large investments. If they don't like something you've done, you will be forced to liquidate out of that position no matter the consequences.
8) It's almost entirely illegal to privately own farm land. This contributes to China having the most backwards and low output farming industry of any major economy.
How is all of this obviously Capitalistic? The state completely controls everything. It's the exact opposite of Capitalist.
[1] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-08-13/china-ord...
Where are the responses from Muslim countries?
I've found this very strange as well. Best guess is that it hasn't fully reached their populations / news audiences. It's only in the last four to six months that Western media has begun to actively talk about it and pursue the truth of what's going on there. Alternatively they don't protest China because they know it does no good. The Guantanamo Bay detention camp had less than a thousand total detainees over its hi…
China is a communist dictatorship where you can be arrested and possibly murdered for saying the wrong thing. So this is not very surprising.
"communist dictatorship" is inexact enough to be outright dishonest. Their economy is obviously capitalist. And although Xi has been leaning towards more dictator-like behavior, they haven't been a dictatorship since Mao. It's more like a giant bureaucracy. They have a process, they have regular handovers of power. It's not "I am the law".
Describing an oligarchy as a communist dictatorship is near-equivalent. Far from dishonest.
> Their economy is obviously capitalist
It's capitalist at specific granularities. This is a derail, at best.
> They have a process, they have regular handovers of power.
So does an oligarchy.