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China’s Mass Internment Camps Have No Clear End in Sight

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Re: China’s Mass Internment Camps Have No Clear End in Sight

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China is a communist dictatorship where you can be arrested and possibly murdered for saying the wrong thing. So this is not very surprising.

"communist dictatorship" is inexact enough to be outright dishonest.

Their economy is obviously capitalist. And although Xi has been leaning towards more dictator-like behavior, they haven't been a dictatorship since Mao.

It's more like a giant bureaucracy. They have a process, they have regular handovers of power. It's not "I am the law".

Re: China’s Mass Internment Camps Have No Clear End in Sight

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post #2

China is a communist dictatorship where you can be arrested and possibly murdered for saying the wrong thing. So this is not very surprising.

"communist dictatorship" is inexact enough to be outright dishonest. Their economy is obviously capitalist. And although Xi has been leaning towards more dictator-like behavior, they haven't been a dictatorship since Mao. It's more like a giant bureaucracy. They have a process, they have regular handovers of power. It's not "I am the law".

I've visited Beijing, Shanghai and Hong Kong back in 2010 and as a Canadian I feel China is more capitalist than Canada. It had a more America feel to it where everyone has the entrepreneurial spirit

Re: China’s Mass Internment Camps Have No Clear End in Sight

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post #2

China is a communist dictatorship where you can be arrested and possibly murdered for saying the wrong thing. So this is not very surprising.

"communist dictatorship" is inexact enough to be outright dishonest. Their economy is obviously capitalist. And although Xi has been leaning towards more dictator-like behavior, they haven't been a dictatorship since Mao. It's more like a giant bureaucracy. They have a process, they have regular handovers of power. It's not "I am the law".

OK, well, communist is in the name of the only political party allowed to exist in China, so it’s not that absurd to say.

Re: China’s Mass Internment Camps Have No Clear End in Sight

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post #2

China is a communist dictatorship where you can be arrested and possibly murdered for saying the wrong thing. So this is not very surprising.

"communist dictatorship" is inexact enough to be outright dishonest. Their economy is obviously capitalist. And although Xi has been leaning towards more dictator-like behavior, they haven't been a dictatorship since Mao. It's more like a giant bureaucracy. They have a process, they have regular handovers of power. It's not "I am the law".

> Their economy is obviously capitalist.

Does mandated 50% local (aka party) ownership align with "obviously capitalist"? That seems a stretch (aka crony capitalist).

Xi has asked for indefinitely long term of power and gotten it. Handover of power?

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Where are the responses from Muslim countries?

There probably aren't any. Ever since Pan-Arabism died with Nasser, leaders of Muslim countries are mostly concerned with keeping themselves in power and keeping things stable in their own borders, which means a) downplaying if not actively suppressing supranational ideologies and b) playing nice with countries like China to keep the money flowing. And the only real Pan-Islamic movements are the extremist ones, which don't have any official state support.

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Where are the responses from Muslim countries?

I've found this very strange as well.

Best guess is that it hasn't fully reached their populations / news audiences. It's only in the last four to six months that Western media has begun to actively talk about it and pursue the truth of what's going on there.

Alternatively they don't protest China because they know it does no good.

The Guantanamo Bay detention camp had less than a thousand total detainees over its history (currently an estimated 40 people held there), most of whom were pulled directly off of battlefields. Guantanamo became a global scandal and blackeye for the US, drawing countless mass protests across the Middle East.

Here we're talking about millions of Muslims being tortured, 're-educated,' stripped of their Islamic beliefs, and apparently many are dying or being murdered in the process. An estimated 1,300 camps and growing. All without any external access or oversight, happening under an aggressive rights-denying dictatorship.

These millions of Muslims are not just going to give up their beliefs willingly, so what is China's next step? Vast genocide has to be the concern going forward.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"communist dictatorship" is inexact enough to be outright dishonest. Their economy is obviously capitalist. And although Xi has been leaning towards more dictator-like behavior, they haven't been a dictatorship since Mao. It's more like a giant bureaucracy. They have a process, they have regular handovers of power. It's not "I am the law".

OK, well, communist is in the name of the only political party allowed to exist in China, so it’s not that absurd to say.

It's no more absurd than calling North Korea “democratic” because that's literally the first word of the official name.

But also not much less absurd than that.

Re: China’s Mass Internment Camps Have No Clear End in Sight

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"communist dictatorship" is inexact enough to be outright dishonest. Their economy is obviously capitalist. And although Xi has been leaning towards more dictator-like behavior, they haven't been a dictatorship since Mao. It's more like a giant bureaucracy. They have a process, they have regular handovers of power. It's not "I am the law".

OK, well, communist is in the name of the only political party allowed to exist in China, so it’s not that absurd to say.

And North Korea calls itself "Democratic People's Republic of Korea", but anyone with a working brain understands that NK is neither a Democracy, nor is it is government for the people.

Taking the words of totalitarian leaders literally is very naive.

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"communist dictatorship" is inexact enough to be outright dishonest. Their economy is obviously capitalist. And although Xi has been leaning towards more dictator-like behavior, they haven't been a dictatorship since Mao. It's more like a giant bureaucracy. They have a process, they have regular handovers of power. It's not "I am the law".

OK, well, communist is in the name of the only political party allowed to exist in China, so it’s not that absurd to say.

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Re: China’s Mass Internment Camps Have No Clear End in Sight

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post #2

China is a communist dictatorship where you can be arrested and possibly murdered for saying the wrong thing. So this is not very surprising.

"communist dictatorship" is inexact enough to be outright dishonest. Their economy is obviously capitalist. And although Xi has been leaning towards more dictator-like behavior, they haven't been a dictatorship since Mao. It's more like a giant bureaucracy. They have a process, they have regular handovers of power. It's not "I am the law".

While I agree with everything you just said, it seems to be true that in China you can get arrested for basically arbitrary reasons if someone doesn't like you. While it's not one man saying "I am the law", there is still a group saying it, and that group is the bureaucracy.
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