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Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Post by jjulius »

bergen wrote: post #465
jjulius wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because, for some weird reason, our culture has collectively decided that, even if most of us are capable of reading between the lines to understand what's really being said or is happening, it's often wrong and bad to be honest and transparent, and we should put the most positive spin possible on it. It's everywhere, especially in professional and political environments.

This is not a culture thing imo, being honest and transparent makes you vulnerable to exploits, which is often a bad thing for the ones being honest and transparent in a high competition area.

Being dishonest and cagey only serves to build public distrust in your organization, as has happened with OpenAI over the past couple of months. Just look at all of the comments throughout this thread for proof of that.

Edit: Shoot, look at the general level of distrust that the populous puts in politicians.

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Post by whiplash451 »

navjack27 wrote: post #514

Okay hear me out. Restructuring for profit right? There will probably be companies spawned off of all of these leaving. If the government ever wants a third party to oversee safety of openAI wouldn't it be convenient if one of those that left the company started a company that focused on safety. Safe Superintelligence Inc. gets the bid because lobbying because whatever I don't even care what the reason is in this mad…

The baptists and the bootleggers

https://a16z.com/ai-will-save-the-world/

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Post by consteval »

int_19h wrote: post #585
HarHarVeryFunny wrote: post #538

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It depends on how well you understand how the fancy autocomplete is working under the hood. You could compare GPT-o1 chain of thought to something like IBM's DeepBlue chess-playing computer, which used MTCS (tree search, same as more modern game engines such as AlphaGo)... at the end of the day it's just using built-in knowledge (pre-training) to predict what move would most likely be made by a winning player. It's n…

Saying "it's just autocomplete" is not really saying anything meaningful since it doesn't specify the complexity of completion. When completion is a correct answer to the question that requires logical reasoning, for example, "just autocomplete" needs to be able to do exactly that if it is to complete anything outside of its training set.

> question that requires logical reasoning

This is the tough part to tell - are there any such questions that exist that have not already been asked?

The reason Chat-GPT works is its scale. to me, that makes me question how "smart" it is. Even the most idiotic idiot could be pretty decent if he had access to the entire works of mankind and infinite memory. Doesn't matter if his IQ is 50, because you ask him something and he's probably seen it before.

How confident are we this is not just the case with LLMs?

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Post by bitcharmer »

lolinder wrote: post #378
booleanbetrayal wrote: post #311

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I would find it hard to believe this isn't the critical factor in her departure. Surprising that the linked thread isn't getting any traction. Or not?

146 points and never hit the front page even once. There's definitely algorithmic shenanigans going on. https://hnrankings.info/41651548/

Front page is heavily moderated. It's basically news.ycombinator.com/dang

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Post by ants_everywhere »

trashtester wrote: post #565
ants_everywhere wrote: post #296

> we fundamentally changed how AI systems learn and reason through complex problems I'm not an AI researcher, have they done this? The commentary I've seen on o1 is basically that they incorporated techniques that were already being used. I'd also be curious to learn: what fundamental contributions to research has OpenAI made? The ChatGPT that was released in 2022 was based on Google's research, and IMO the internal…

The way I understand it, the key difference is that when training o1, they were going beyond simply "think step-by-step" in that they were feeding the "step-by-step" reasoning patterns that ended up with a correct answer back into the training set, meaning the model was not so much trained to find the correct answer directly, but rather to reason using patterns that would generally lead to a correct answer. Furthermo…

Got it! Super cool and very helpful thanks!

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Post by hilux »

keeptrying wrote: post #57

If OpenAI is the foremost in solving the AGI - possibly the biggest invention of mankind - it's a little weird that everyone's dropping out. Does it not look like that no one wants to work with Sam in the long run?

It looks to ME like Sam is the absolute dictator, and is firing everyone else, probably promising a few million in RSUs (or whatever financial instrument) in exchange for their polite departure and promise of non-disparagement.

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Post by hilux »

keeptrying wrote: post #325
ilrwbwrkhv wrote: post #126

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Open AI fired her. She didn't drop out.

Do you have any proof even circumstantial?

I mean ... common sense?

Barring extreme illness or family circumstance, can you suggest any other reason (than firing) why a young person would voluntarily leave a plum job at the hottest, most high-profile, tech company in the world?

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Post by hilux »

norir wrote: post #356
davesque wrote: post #218

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> no executive in her position ever willingly resigns to pursue different passions/spend more time with their family/enjoy retirement or whatever else Especially when they enjoy a position like hers at the most important technology company in a generation.

Time will tell about openai's true import. Right now, the jury is very much out. Even in the llm space, it is not clear that openai will be the ultimate victor. Especially if they keep hemorrhaging talent.

You're right - OpenAI may or may not be the ultimate victor.

But RIGHT NOW they are in a very strong position in the world's hottest industry. Any of us would love to work there! It therefore seems reasonable that no one would voluntarily quit. (Unless they're on their deathbed, I suppose.)

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Post by int_19h »

consteval wrote: post #593
int_19h wrote: post #585

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Saying "it's just autocomplete" is not really saying anything meaningful since it doesn't specify the complexity of completion. When completion is a correct answer to the question that requires logical reasoning, for example, "just autocomplete" needs to be able to do exactly that if it is to complete anything outside of its training set.

> question that requires logical reasoning This is the tough part to tell - are there any such questions that exist that have not already been asked? The reason Chat-GPT works is its scale. to me, that makes me question how "smart" it is. Even the most idiotic idiot could be pretty decent if he had access to the entire works of mankind and infinite memory. Doesn't matter if his IQ is 50, because you ask him something…

Of course there are such questions. When it comes to even simple puzzles, there are infinitely many permutations possible wrt how the pieces are arranged, for example - hell, you could generate such puzzles with a script. No amount of precanned training data can possibly cover all such combinations, meaning that the model has to learn how to apply the concepts that make solution possible (which includes things such as causality or spatial reasoning).
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