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Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Post by rocqua »

ben_w wrote: post #201
uhtred wrote: post #143

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Artificial General Intelligence requires a bit more than parsing and predicting text I reckon.

Yes, and transformer models can do more than text. There's almost certainly better options out there given it looks like we don't need so many examples to learn from, though I'm not at all clear if we need those better ways or if we can get by without due to the abundance of training data.

If you come up with a new system, you're going to want to integrate AI into the system, presuming AI gets a bit better.

If AI can only learn after people have used the system for a year, then your system will just get ignored. After all, it lacks AI. And hence it will never get enough training data to get AI integration.

Learning needs to get faster. Otherwise, we will be stuck with the tools that already exist. New tools won't just need to be possible to train humans on, but also to train AIs on.

Edit: a great example here is the Tamarin protocol prover. It would be great, and feasible, to get AI assistance to write these proofs. But there aren't enough proofs out there to train on.

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Post by saagarjha »

hobofan wrote: post #400
SadTrombone wrote: post #338

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To be fair she was also one of the employees who signed the letter to the board demanding that Altman be reinstated or she would leave the company.

Does that actually mean anything? Didn't 95% of the company sign that letter, and soon afterwards many employees stated that they felt pressured by a vocal minority of peers and supervisors to sign the letter? E.g. if most executives on her level already signed the letter, it would have been political suicide not to sign it

She was second-in-command of the company. Who else is there on her level to pressure her to sign such a thing, besides Sam himself?

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Post by edouard-harris »

015a wrote: post #302
svara wrote: post #222

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I truly think you haven't really thought this through. There's a huge amount of circuitry between the input and the output of the model. How do you know what it does or doesn't do? Humans brains "just" output the next couple milliseconds of muscle activation, given sensory input and internal state. Edit: Interestingly, this is getting downvotes even though 1) my last sentence is a precise and accurate statement of th…

Did you seriously just use the word "isomorphic"? No wonder people believe AI is the next crypto.

In what way was their usage incorrect? They simply said that the brain just predicts next-actions, in response to a statement that an LLM predicts next-tokens. You can believe or disbelieve either of those statements individually, but the claims are isomorphic in the sense that they have the same structure.

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Post by [deleted] »

onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #253
keeptrying wrote: post #57

If OpenAI is the foremost in solving the AGI - possibly the biggest invention of mankind - it's a little weird that everyone's dropping out. Does it not look like that no one wants to work with Sam in the long run?

Doesn't (dyst)OpenAI have a clause that you can't say anything bad about the company after leaving? I'm not convinced these board members are able to say what they want when leaving.

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Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Post by bergen »

jjulius wrote: post #173
deepGem wrote: post #112

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Why is it so hard to just accept this and be transparent about motives ? It's fair to say 'we were not aligned with Sam, we tried an ouster, didn't pan out so the best thing for us to do is to leave and let Sam pursue his path", which the entirely company has vouched for. Instead, you get to see grey area after grey area.

Because, for some weird reason, our culture has collectively decided that, even if most of us are capable of reading between the lines to understand what's really being said or is happening, it's often wrong and bad to be honest and transparent, and we should put the most positive spin possible on it. It's everywhere, especially in professional and political environments.

This is not a culture thing imo, being honest and transparent makes you vulnerable to exploits, which is often a bad thing for the ones being honest and transparent in a high competition area.

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Post by [deleted] »

aresant wrote: post #30
Imnimo wrote: post #7

It is hard for me to square "This company is a few short years away from building world-changing AGI" and "I'm stepping away to do my own thing". Maybe I'm just bad at putting myself in someone else's shoes, but I feel like if I had spent years working towards a vision of AGI, and thought that success was finally just around the corner, it'd be very difficult to walk away.

I think the much more likely scenario than product roadmap concerns is that Murati (and Ilya for that matter) took their shot to remove Sam, lost, and in an effort to collectively retain billion$ of enterprise value have been playing nice, but were never seriously going to work together again after the failed coup.

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Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Post by saagarjha »

mindslight wrote: post #406
vl wrote: post #354

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With 3.5M house just taxes, utilities and maintenance cost will ruin your remaining 7.5.

The neat part is that for a 3.5M house in the Bay area, the only maintenance required is changing the rain fly every year and the ground pad every couple.

And who is going to fix your shower when it leaks, and install solar panels, or redo your kitchen because your parents are living with you now and can't bear to leave their traditional cooking behind?

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Post by yas_hmaheshwari »

TheAlchemist wrote: post #336

Similar to when Andrei Karpathy left Tesla. Tesla was on the verge of 'solving FSD' and unlocking trillions of $ of revenue (and mind you, this was already 3 years after the CEO said that they will have 1 million robotaxis on the road by the year's end). Guess what ? Tesla is still on the verge of 'solving FSD'. And most probably it will be in the same place for the next 10 years. The writing is on the wall for OpenA…

The original saying of "fake it till you make it" has been changed to "say it till you make it" :-)

Re: Mira Murati leaves OpenAI

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Post by WFHRenaissance »

ssnistfajen wrote: post #440
vagab0nd wrote: post #412

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I follow the latest updates to FSD and it's clear to me that they are getting closer to robotaxis really fast.

FSD isn't getting "solved" without outlawing human drivers, period. Otherwise you are trying to solve a non-deterministic system with deterministic software under a 0% error tolerance rate. Even without human drivers you still have to deal with all the non-vehicle entities that pop onto the road from time to time. Jaywalkers alone is almost as complex to deal with as human drivers.

LOL this is BS. We have plenty of deterministic software being used to solve non-deterministic systems already. I agree that 0% error rate will require the removal of all human drivers from the system, but 0.0001% error rate will be seen as accepted risk.
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