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EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Post by blitzar »

_trackno5 wrote: post #49

Why do people think it is a good thing to have this enforced by law is beyond me. I don't see any win besides a minor convenience. A lightning cable weighs almost nothing and it's not a big deal to have one around. As to lightning port limitations, I question whether usb-c will give average iPhone users any other advantage other than charging their phone. What are people gonna do with it other than charge their phone…

> Why do people think it is a good thing to have this enforced by law is beyond me.

School shootings - why do we have to enforce not commiting school shootings with the stupid law, surely everyone can get together and agreee murdering a 10 year old for fun is evil and just not do it?

Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Post by Kerrick »

krisoft wrote: post #552
jollybean wrote: post #450

Earlier quoted context omitted.

? how did self regulation fail ? There's nothing wrong with the way iPhone charges. This is an unnecessary intervention. There are plenty of bigger, more relevant fish to fry.

> There's nothing wrong with the way iPhone charges. Well. I'm lugging around one cable which charges all my devices from bike lamps to powerbanks. And there is a totally different cable I'm also lugging around to charge my iphone. Why is that necessary? Also my iphone charging cable frays all time, while my "everything else charging cable" does not.

> Why is that necessary?

Because you chose to buy a phone that uses Lightning, rather than choosing to buy a phone that uses USB-C.

Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Post by jen20 »

rmccue wrote: post #353
skohan wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am similarly of two minds. As an engineer, I can imagine how legal mandates for technology choices could stifle innovation and make the future of technology worse. But at the same time, I think there may be a place for mandating interface compatibility. To give some old-school examples, how differently might industrialization have gone if rail systems weren't mandated to operate under some shared standards? Or wher…

> To give some old-school examples, how differently might industrialization have gone if rail systems weren't mandated to operate under some shared standards? I'm not sure that analogy holds particularly well. The UK did build rail systems without shared standards, and only standardised on gauge in 1846, which was very late in the industrial revolution: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Gauge_War - Standards for…

What happened is the worse more common standard was converged upon, so instead of the west coast main line having a comfortable, stable 7’ gauge, we ended up with the less comfortable standard gauge that requires longer trains to seat the same number of people.

Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Post by kennend3 »

Bud wrote: post #284
meibo wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I will definitely switch to iPhone as soon as they come with USB-C. It feels like they're just not doing it out of spite - I already have 20 USB-C chargers and power banks for all of my hardware. If you've been in the Apple ecosystem for years, no, it probably won't matter to you and will probably annoy you more than what it's worth because you now need separate cables to charge your mouse and your phone.

Out of spite? What about it feeling out of spite to make this change for the tens of millions of users who have one or two or four sets of AirPods, and several wireless Apple keyboards and mice and trackpads, and various other gear, all of which uses Lightning? Some people need to remember that it's not all about them. And your USB-C chargers and power banks were and are perfectly capable of charging Lightning device…

Perhaps you can outline the many times that Apple dropped support for something to move to something new?

Phones no longer have "dock connectors" do they? What about anyone who had a dock port?

Having an iPhone and android phones, Lightening is ANNOYING. Almost nothing uses it. I can charge my Kindle via USB-C, my headphones via USB-C but need an ancient lightening to charge my phone?

Lastly, can you outline what devices people have which are dependent on Lightning? AirPods? they could have been released with USB-C from the start, allowing Apple to move away from lightning.

Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Post by acallaghan »

blue_light_man wrote: post #557

Perfect example of why Brexit makes sense. A bunch of politicians thinking they know what is best for consumers across dozens of countries better than the companies operating in the free market.

> A bunch of politicians

*elected* politicians is the key. The member states voted them in, they have a democratic mandate. No one running these companies have anywhere near the same level of responsibility to people as someone that's actually elected.

This is just another regulation on that free market, decided for by democratically elected people and not by the companies choosing not to be regulated.

Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Post by gnicholas »

Fiahil wrote: post #129

Fast-Forward to Autumn 2023 or Spring 2024 : Tim Cook: (40:20) Now let’s talk about iPhone. iPhone has forever changed the world. Every single day people rely on iPhone, from their most demanding tasks to capturing the moments of their lives, streaming their favorite TV shows, playing their favorite games, staying up to date with the news of the world and connecting with friends and loved ones. Tim Cook: (40:42) This…

> Fast-Forward to Autumn 2023 or Spring 2024

Since when does Apple introduce new iPhones in the Spring?

Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Post by hbgl »

cyborgx7 wrote: post #318

Self-regulation only works if government regulation is a serious threat in case self-regulation fails. In this case, self-regulation failed, so government regulation stepped in to force industry to do what is right. All the handwringing about stifling innovation is on its face ridiculous as mandates to use micro-usb didn't stop android phones from adopting the new and better standard as soon as it was viable.

The reason why Apple still uses the Lightning port is because of regulation in the form of patents which give them a 20-year-monopoly on their plug design. Without the previous regulation there would be no need for this new regulation.

Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Post by neither_color »

cyborgx7 wrote: post #318

Self-regulation only works if government regulation is a serious threat in case self-regulation fails. In this case, self-regulation failed, so government regulation stepped in to force industry to do what is right. All the handwringing about stifling innovation is on its face ridiculous as mandates to use micro-usb didn't stop android phones from adopting the new and better standard as soon as it was viable.

It's not "right" as in morally right; it's just slightly more convenient. Mandatory convenience. I personally don't understand people's passion for this cause. I'm ok with dichotomy and nuance in life. I'm learning that having two cables is a huge impediment to some people's lives. So be it.

Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Post by CubsFan1060 »

hotpotamus wrote: post #496
CubsFan1060 wrote: post #357

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I will basically immediately throw away about a dozen cables and need to buy new ones. I'm unclear on how I'm gaining in this.

You've somehow avoided USB-C cables? That's confusing to me since I have an iPhone and other Apple devices. My phone uses lighting but my Beats earbuds, My Macbook Pro, and my iPad pro use USB-C for charging. Plus plenty of other non-Apple devices.

Not at all. I have like a dozen lightning cables in various places (work, many places in my home, my car). I have 2-3 USBC cables.

So, now I'll have to replace the one in my car (with, I guess, a usbA to usbC cable?), I'll have to replace the ones all around my house.

Unless you are suggesting that I should only charge my phone in the one room with my Mac?

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