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EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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This gives me some cognitive dissonance. On the one hand, having a common connector will reduce waste and be much more convenient (eg "Hey have you got an iPhone charger?") and make losing a charger a cheaper mistake. On the other hand I'm not sure I like the idea of government mandating electrical connectors on devices, which could stifle innovation, or be very shortsighted in the typical government-rules-on-tech wa…

> stifle innovation We have plenty of free market examples of why "innovation" in the connector space almost always spawns lemons and makes everything worse in the meantime.

Do we? By the same token what are examples of where innovation in the connector space helped out?

I find laws like this problematic because measuring success or failure is super tricky. How do you know about innovation that hasn't happened? If in 5 years or 10 years we're using USB-C connectors is that great or does it mean there's some better idea that isn't being taken to market? I'm sure there are subject matter experts who might confidently weigh in on that but could they realistically get this law changed? Even if those experts agreed there was a better solution would the majority of the incumbent players in the space want that solution?

Laws like this create a situation where opposition depends upon people missing things they've never had and wanting things that they can't conceive of.

Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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post #11

I hope they ban the 90% of sold usb-c looking cables that aren’t actually usb-c compliant. Someone needs to build a simple device you connect a cable to that stress tests it and shows a green or red light.

Did the current cable used by the iPhone have this problem too? If not, isn't this changing it to the worse? edit to clarify: ... because while Apple might still include a working cable, but if you grab one of the 10 cables out of your cable box, you don't know if it will actually work.

Apple's USB-C cable (called: "USB-C Charge Cable") supports 97w charging and USB 2.0 data transfer speeds.

Apple only has one other USB-C USB-C cable and that's the "Thunderbolt 3 Cable" which supports everything in USB 3.1 Gen 2

Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did the current cable used by the iPhone have this problem too? If not, isn't this changing it to the worse? edit to clarify: ... because while Apple might still include a working cable, but if you grab one of the 10 cables out of your cable box, you don't know if it will actually work.

https://9to5mac.com/2018/08/22/how-to-choose-a-usb-c-cable/a... It would be funny if this ruling strengthened Apple’s position because no one knows which off-brand cable will destroy their device by not limiting current draw. Without strong regulations on the usb cables themselves, it almost seems like putting the cart before the horse.

What in the world are you talking about?

Cables aren't the ones limiting current draw, they're cables. And the millions upon millions of USB-C devices in the world right now have no such issues with USB-C charging so where are you pulling these silly ideas from?

You think the rockstar engineers of Apple aren't capable of designing a charging circuit with reliability of a 80$ Chinese manufactured Android phone?

Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Lightning had a good 10-year run. Let’s not forget that it was released a full 2 years before USB-C, and one of the first to being reversible connectors to the masses.

Also, here is the final report commissioned by the EU: “Impact Assessment Study to Assess Unbundling of Chargers (July 2021)” [0].

[0] https://op.europa.eu/o/opportal-service/download-handler?ide...

Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

#49
Why do people think it is a good thing to have this enforced by law is beyond me.

I don't see any win besides a minor convenience. A lightning cable weighs almost nothing and it's not a big deal to have one around.

As to lightning port limitations, I question whether usb-c will give average iPhone users any other advantage other than charging their phone. What are people gonna do with it other than charge their phones or transfer files?

Feels like there's nothing to celebrate here. Just the EU using its influence to exert control over things that don't matter at all.

Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

#50

This gives me some cognitive dissonance. On the one hand, having a common connector will reduce waste and be much more convenient (eg "Hey have you got an iPhone charger?") and make losing a charger a cheaper mistake. On the other hand I'm not sure I like the idea of government mandating electrical connectors on devices, which could stifle innovation, or be very shortsighted in the typical government-rules-on-tech wa…

> On the other hand I'm not sure I like the idea of government mandating electrical connectors on devices, which could stifle innovation, or be very shortsighted in the typical government-rules-on-tech way (eg "banning encryption").

How can free sharing of ideas stifle innovation?

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