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Omicron at 100% Prevalence, Colorado

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Re: Omicron at 100% Prevalence, Colorado

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PraetorianGourd wrote: post #241
brutal_chaos_ wrote: post #190

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Granted this still needs peer review...but you may want to look into this: https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-1139035/v1 I hope your recovery goes well and you truly have zero issues.

That also covers only previous, more virulent variants. Omicron does not seem to infect areas outside of upper respiratory so it is a tad overzealous to spread such fear over a preprint of a different variant. It would be like comparing a mild flu strain to H1N1 original.

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Re: Omicron at 100% Prevalence, Colorado

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Post by bleuchase »

bratwurst3000 wrote: post #152

Just giving my 2 cents. Got boosted 3 weeks ago. Now I have covid. Everything is fine, feels like the least ill i ever was from anything. But I wanted to state that omnicron is a beast. I did wear a ffp2 mask with nearly every social contact and if we didnt wear mask we would test ourself. I am sure I got it from the streets from people passing by. That said I am in the french alps and it was vacation time here. And…

> Now I have covid. Everything is fine, feels like the least ill i ever was from anything. But I wanted to state that omnicron is a beast.

So you’re the least ill you’ve ever been from anything but it’s also “a beast”?

Re: Omicron at 100% Prevalence, Colorado

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Post by brutal_chaos_ »

spurgu wrote: post #242
brutal_chaos_ wrote: post #190

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Granted this still needs peer review...but you may want to look into this: https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-1139035/v1 I hope your recovery goes well and you truly have zero issues.

Keep up the fear-mongering... I'm healthy, I'm not worried about that at all. Neither am I afraid of drowning while boating.

One might want to pay attention if the boat had a leak...

I do apologize if you took that as fear mongering, I have a nephew in a similar situation as you and we are keeping an eye on him just in case anything does come up, not that we expect anything will.

Re: Omicron at 100% Prevalence, Colorado

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Post by camdat »

henrikschroder wrote: post #584
paganel wrote: post #560

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> What effective containment strategies? I think NZ and especially China are the only ones left. I think NZ has relaxed its restrictions about 2-3 months ago and to be honest I'm a little surprised they haven't yet followed Australia's path with the exponential number of Omicron cases, but imo the very big question remains China, I have no idea how they plan to handle this going forward.

I don't trust a single number or report coming out of China. The official numbers show a couple of thousand dead. No way. Dictatorships usually make examples of individuals/groups/regions to make everyone else fall in line. The virus however doesn't give a shit about the wishes of authoritarian regimes, which is why making an example of a region or a city and forcing millions of people to stay indoors, doesn't stop t…

There have been independent studies showing their numbers are, while not perfectly accurate, within the margin of error for extrapolated excess mortality[0].

As I've said in other threads on this issue, it is very difficult to hide deaths on even a small scale. Bodies do not simply disappear, and even small numbers of deaths are easily discoverable by measuring economic output (and even air quality!) of the region.

China is being at least reletively honest in their reporting, and I think thats difficult for us westerners to believe because their numbers are so shockingly low. An effective containment strategy _is_ possible, and the west has utterly failed in that respect.

[0]: https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n415

Re: Omicron at 100% Prevalence, Colorado

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Post by tasty_freeze »

nradov wrote: post #558
tasty_freeze wrote: post #526

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I can't speak for him, and obviously tweets are short enough they can't contain it either. But apparently the plan was (a) to use federal funds and manpower to get vaccines spread as widely as possible. There was an early goals of 100M doses in the first 100 days, which was met, and another goal was set and met [1]. Another factor was sending the message: this isn't a "Democrat hoax", that it is real, is killing peop…

So what you're saying is that Biden's plan was essentially the same as Trump's plan, which also focused on using federal funds and manpower to produce and distribute vaccines as widely and rapidly as possible.

I don't want to turn this into a political debate, but I'll respond to you question. Trump repeatedly downplayed the severity of the virus, called it a "Democrat hoax", argued against many of the masking and distancing mandates that large cities had put in place, claimed that Fauci is incompetent and shouldn't be listened to, etc.

So, no, they are not the same plan. There is a reason why counties that went red have lower vaccination rates and more severe covid-related problems.

Re: Omicron at 100% Prevalence, Colorado

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Post by iechoz6H »

labster wrote: post #426
iechoz6H wrote: post #385

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Counterpoint; My mum nearly died of Covid, six weeks in hospital, four of which were in ICU. On leaving we discovered she no longer had epilepsy.

If this is true, I hope she is in contact with an epilepsy researcher or three.

She's not, no.

Re: Omicron at 100% Prevalence, Colorado

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Post by iechoz6H »

iechoz6H wrote: post #385
acdha wrote: post #359

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It’s not that simple: yes, if someone gets in a car crash it’s probably not COVID but there are many cases where someone had a manageable condition that was disrupted by COVID — not 100% fault but not 0%, and a big problem for hospital capacity.

Counterpoint; My mum nearly died of Covid, six weeks in hospital, four of which were in ICU. On leaving we discovered she no longer had epilepsy.

I'm probably being stupid, but are the down votes due to scepticism about the veracity of my comment?

Re: Omicron at 100% Prevalence, Colorado

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Post by nradov »

tasty_freeze wrote: post #595
nradov wrote: post #558

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So what you're saying is that Biden's plan was essentially the same as Trump's plan, which also focused on using federal funds and manpower to produce and distribute vaccines as widely and rapidly as possible.

I don't want to turn this into a political debate, but I'll respond to you question. Trump repeatedly downplayed the severity of the virus, called it a "Democrat hoax", argued against many of the masking and distancing mandates that large cities had put in place, claimed that Fauci is incompetent and shouldn't be listened to, etc. So, no, they are not the same plan. There is a reason why counties that went red have l…

Donald Trump never called the virus a "Democrat hoax". There's plenty of room to criticize his handling of the pandemic (much of it was totally incompetent) but at least get your facts right instead of lying.

https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/oct/08/ask-politifac...

Re: Omicron at 100% Prevalence, Colorado

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Post by spurgu »

brutal_chaos_ wrote: post #593
spurgu wrote: post #242

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Keep up the fear-mongering... I'm healthy, I'm not worried about that at all. Neither am I afraid of drowning while boating.

One might want to pay attention if the boat had a leak... I do apologize if you took that as fear mongering, I have a nephew in a similar situation as you and we are keeping an eye on him just in case anything does come up, not that we expect anything will.

Lots of things to be aware of when boating. The best is of course to use a structurally sound vessel. Then your main concern will simply be to keep a lookout as to not hit other boaters. With a leaky old brittle boat you need to make sure to have various backups plans and means of repairs for when things go wrong. The better shape your boat though, the less you have to worry outside of basic precautions. But if your boat is old and frail it would be of prudence to get the Pfizer Hull-Restoration kit and apply it thoroughly before heading out. And remember to apply twice per year!

Best wishes to your nephew.

Re: Omicron at 100% Prevalence, Colorado

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Post by anonfornoreason »

jatone wrote: post #561
supperburg wrote: post #513

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Yeah and nobody mentions that our hospitals were already stretched to their limit before Covid because they are for-profit corporations. They should have had capacity for a pandemic because everyone knew there would be one. It’s poor planning, not Covid. They will add capacity and then what will your argument be?

you can't add capacity to a system that requires highly trained specialists on a dime. hospital capacity is very much limited by how much it is used on a day to day basis, regardless of pandemic status. what you suggest simply will never be an effective strategy.

It's a combination of doctors and nurses. In some places, it's nursing staff that's keeping all beds from being open. This is absolutely a workforce that can be flexed on a shorter term notice.

Doctors can also be incentivized to do rotations in the ER. My primary care physician many years ago used to do ER rotations as a sort of overtime. Inventivize with the right pay, more will do it. Granted this isn't a large labor supply, but it certainly could help.

Instead, what you see is a shrinking of the nurse labor supply by a few percentage points due to vaccination requirements. Pretty ridiculous to complain about lack of capacity when you force some of that because you refuse to officially recognize natural immunity as equal to vaccine derived immunity.

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