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Re: California accuses Cisco of job discrimination based on Indian employee's caste

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Post by [deleted] »

eklavya wrote: post #509
castevictim wrote: post #266

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>You have to fight in the court to get out of jail, not go in the jail. Do you mean that jail where two-third of prisoners are Dalits, tribals and from Other Backward Classes (OBCs), 19% are Muslims?[0] Or are you talking about the prison/judicial system which is statistically proven to be Brahminical[1]. [0] https://www.deccanherald.com/national/north-and-central/majo... [1] https://www.huffingtonpost.in/suraj-yengd…

No idea, I know for a fact though that no laws for upper castes to jail anyone in a lower caste without fighting in courts first.

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Re: California accuses Cisco of job discrimination based on Indian employee's caste

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Post by pnako »

dang wrote: post #579
pnako wrote: post #568

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The scarf is an issue in the sense that it was a way for militant, political Islam groups to test the waters. Which has led in less than a generation to much more extreme ways to openly show support for radical Islam (including burkas or more commonly niqabs). It's an issue because a nation, a society must have a common bond, a common culture. It's not a giant supermarket or a hotel.

Religious flamewar is not allowed on HN, so please don't do it here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Point taken, although I don't think I was engaging in that.

I did not make comments about Islam specifically, and whether it is "good" or "bad" in the absolute sense. I could have made the same argument by pointing out that protestant and catholic Christians have had trouble living together in Europe. My point is more generally that cultures that are too different can't live together in the same place; Islam in France was just a contemporary example I'm familiar with.

Re: California accuses Cisco of job discrimination based on Indian employee's caste

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Post by naruvimama »

treeman321 wrote: post #589
naruvimama wrote: post #365

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Unlike the USA, India was under the control of the left since independence. So people who call themselves left are the ones who want to preserve the status quo and go back to the good old times. The new progressive India that you see does not have a real right, because it is mostly still a poor country. Nevertheless it has moved closer to the free market, trying to cut down government interference if not for anything…

this post 1.conflates of economic ideology and political ideology. 2.conflates political left, political center. Political left was unpopular with the previous centrist government and with this one. But this one is especially intolerant to dissent. Prominent Dalit scholars and activists have been arrested because they "promote enmity between caste groups". Because surely asking for rights for the historically margina…

I wholeheartedly agree to your argument that right & left is irrelevant in India.

An "Activist" however is not a peoples representative. In a democratic country, you stand for elections to become a peoples representative.

These "activists" are instead involved in armed violence with the democratic state.If they did that in 1950 fine, there is some justification but not in 2020.

I would call them terrorists, mafia or fascists - the Indian word is Naxal/Urban Naxal.

Democracy is not perfect, but I am not buying the promises of insanely wealthy self proclaimed activists who have enough money & resources to run armed conflicts and hire the best lawyer, but somehow never win in the elections.

Re: California accuses Cisco of job discrimination based on Indian employee's caste

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Post by naruvimama »

random314 wrote: post #502
naruvimama wrote: post #365

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Unlike the USA, India was under the control of the left since independence. So people who call themselves left are the ones who want to preserve the status quo and go back to the good old times. The new progressive India that you see does not have a real right, because it is mostly still a poor country. Nevertheless it has moved closer to the free market, trying to cut down government interference if not for anything…

Thank you for your right wing propaganda. Left parties have been active only in 2 Indian states, and today in just one. All parties are somewhat socialist because India is a poor country. The current government is hard right, its founders were inspired by Nazi Germany and the media landscape today resembles radio rwanda.

India was romancing with the USSR, until it fell in 1990. How much more left do you want to get?

Re: California accuses Cisco of job discrimination based on Indian employee's caste

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Post by [deleted] »

throwaway781341 wrote: post #97
paloaltokid wrote: post #38

I'm a very white guy living in California and I often get the impression that caste is something that Indian folks living here are aware of amongst each other, but they don't really discuss it with white people. On some level it feels to me like it's something Indian folks don't share because they feel it would be misunderstood (which makes a lot of sense). Or maybe it's a kind of "not airing out the laundry in publi…

I just wanted to mention few things because they need be said. I hope it helps. Caste system and Varna system in India are 2 different things. Many people including Indians fail to understand this. Caste system and what was written in Manusmruti (some guidelines book for Hindus) was debated even in ancient times but some high-caste-people did take advantage of it and it went screwed up in-between years. Caste system…

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Re: California accuses Cisco of job discrimination based on Indian employee's caste

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Post by richrichardsson »

vladvasiliu wrote: post #346
richrichardsson wrote: post #252

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Whilst FGM is absolutely abhorrent, I really can't stand how MGM (or circumcision without any medical need for it) is happily accepted in "Western values". I can accept that circumcision is a medical need in some cases (my brother required it, something he elected to have done in his late teens), but I can't accept the double standard of "it's fine to chop parts off a baby boy without his consent because it's a part…

I think GP may have worded it a bit strongly. What seems to often happen is that when there are many people from the same original culture living together whatever cultural pressures there may have been in the original country will tend to reproduce. This is probably related to those people being marginalised in the host country, so they don't have a lot of close contact with the new culture. Their day to day interac…

> people being marginalised in the host country

This is a very good point. Very difficult to "integrate" when you face hostile natives.

Re: California accuses Cisco of job discrimination based on Indian employee's caste

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Post by tumetab1 »

dartharva wrote: post #544
tumetab1 wrote: post #431

> allowing him to be harassed by two managers because he was from a lower Indian caste than them. Would be cool if article didn't state as fact that some castes are higher than others and/or that people belong to castes.

how else would you have worded it?

Something like this:

> allowing him to be harassed by two managers which consider him to have a lower status caste

The prejudice should be attributable to the managers, or better, alleged to the accused.

Re: California accuses Cisco of job discrimination based on Indian employee's caste

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Post by thewhitetulip »

foogazi wrote: post #582
thewhitetulip wrote: post #581

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Yes, it is facing the wrong way but it is a tad complicated. You see, eons ago, caste in Indian society was not right, it was your job (warrior = Kshatriya, scholar = bramhin, trader = baniya, labourer = shudra). The first three called themselves upper class and the last one was the lower class. Among the first three, the first one think that they're upper than the other two. The second one thinks that they're upper…

Thanks for the writeup, I appreciate it. My knowledge of India is very basic. I have indian friends and coworkers and have never thought about this being part of their story.

You are very welcome!

Re: California accuses Cisco of job discrimination based on Indian employee's caste

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Post by raghava »

naruvimama wrote: post #593
treeman321 wrote: post #589

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this post 1.conflates of economic ideology and political ideology. 2.conflates political left, political center. Political left was unpopular with the previous centrist government and with this one. But this one is especially intolerant to dissent. Prominent Dalit scholars and activists have been arrested because they "promote enmity between caste groups". Because surely asking for rights for the historically margina…

I wholeheartedly agree to your argument that right & left is irrelevant in India. An "Activist" however is not a peoples representative. In a democratic country, you stand for elections to become a peoples representative. These "activists" are instead involved in armed violence with the democratic state.If they did that in 1950 fine, there is some justification but not in 2020. I would call them terrorists, mafia or…

> In a democratic country, you stand for elections to become a peoples representative.

Participatory democracy doesn't mean that responsibility ends the moment one gets off the voting booth. In fact, the resposibility starts right there, by casting the vote, to ensure that the representative works for the benefit of people.

Us Indians just find the latter part, of dealing with that responsibility, a lot harder, and just convince ourselves otherwise.

And anyone else would get termed "activist" "leftist".

Left => left nothing. Left out off the mainstream (development, benefits, facilities), for being contrarian.

Not left as in left hand side.

Re: California accuses Cisco of job discrimination based on Indian employee's caste

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Post by raghava »

naruvimama wrote: post #593
treeman321 wrote: post #589

Earlier quoted context omitted.

this post 1.conflates of economic ideology and political ideology. 2.conflates political left, political center. Political left was unpopular with the previous centrist government and with this one. But this one is especially intolerant to dissent. Prominent Dalit scholars and activists have been arrested because they "promote enmity between caste groups". Because surely asking for rights for the historically margina…

I wholeheartedly agree to your argument that right & left is irrelevant in India. An "Activist" however is not a peoples representative. In a democratic country, you stand for elections to become a peoples representative. These "activists" are instead involved in armed violence with the democratic state.If they did that in 1950 fine, there is some justification but not in 2020. I would call them terrorists, mafia or…

> I would call them terrorists, mafia or fascists - the Indian word is Naxal/Urban Naxal.

Pray enlighten the rest of us as to how the current regime favouring one particular corporation isn't fascism?

Where is this definition of "urban naxal" defined? Just because one thought so? If speaking against the atrocities of authorities is being "urban naxalism", most of the current leaders also did so, during the emergency in India. Is there a Retired/Erstwhile "Urban Naxal" title too, for them?

Please keep HN civil. Your ultra-right thoughts can find good currency on Twitter/Reddit.

HN being invaded by ultra-right, on a thread that talks about caste-based discrimination.

Guess it is enough Internet for one day!

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