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What's your point? Can you eat flowers?
Yes some kinds.
Does Costco sell edible ones?
The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is being extended through May
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Re: The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is being extended through May
#592I'm lucky enough to have remote work. And I'm sure many HNers have a nice buffer of savings from their tech jobs to weather the storm or are getting paid time off. But can anyone share what it's like to not be in either of these situations? How are your rent lords handling things? I live abroad in a cheap country so I can handle zero income, but I wouldn't be able to last long if rent was $2000+/mo instead of the Yet…
My friend who works at the airport in the Galapagos (GPS) was telling me that no one has gotten paid since the tourism stopped. Luckily she can work on farm, but many can't. The local animal shelter there is now out of food, and the dogs will starve if they don't somehow raise money in the next 3 days or so (@patitasgalapaguenas on instagram, you can donate here [0]). The US is struggling in many ways, but I can't he…
donated, thanks
Re: The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is being extended through May
#593San Francisco has only had 18 COVID-19 deaths in the last 30 days, and only 2 in the last week. [0] That seems amazingly low to me. I'm leaning towards thinking non-essential businesses should be opened up there, provided they function under the same restrictions as grocery stores etc. [0] https://github.com/CSSEGISandData/COVID-19/blob/master/csse_...
That’s great. Here in Minnesota we average 20 a day and the number of cases keeps increasing despite a 1 month lockdown.
People want to open up and get we didn’t even pass the first test!
Re: The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is being extended through May
#594Earlier quoted context omitted.
Long term health implications have nothing to do with the lockdowns, and extending them has no impact on those theoretical boogey-men. Lockdowns were intended to 'flatten the curve' so that hospitals aren't overwhelmed. The same number of people will get sick but over a longer period of time. Keeping the lockdowns in full effect will only ensure that those who get disproportionately sick are the ones in critical serv…
> The same number of people will get sick but over a longer period of time. Fewer people get sick for two reasons. Flattening the curve reduces the amount of epidemic overshoot. People assume you reach herd immunity levels and the epidemic then dies out. Reality you overshoot herd immunity. At some point you can reestablish contact tracing and isolation. That by itself reduces the required level of immunity and conta…
> My bet at this point is within a few months.
What if it doesn't? What if a few months pass, and we're at the same spot we are now, except we're all a few months older and poorer?
My jurisdiction is already testing everyone with symptoms with only about half of their current testing capacity, and still has no plan to move forward.
Re: The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is being extended through May
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Thankfully, you appear to be overwhelmingly outvoted in this "let's set up a peeing section for the swimming pool" position. Lockdown measures and the activist governors pursuing them are, for the moment, overwhelmingly popular --- the population as a whole is strongly more concerned that lockdowns will end too early, and strongly more worried that they will suffer health consequences from C19 than that they'll suffe…
Sadly you seem to be of the opinion that we can cower in our homes until the disease magically goes away. That's not the way this works - it doesn't just go away. I'm really disturbed by the number of people who seem to be perfectly happy moving the goalposts for these lockdowns as long as they're politically popular. Here's a hint - freedom and constitutional rights weren't intended to be politically popular (or par…
These lockdowns are very much constitutional. Perhaps you should actually read it.
Re: The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is being extended through May
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Some politicians have pointed out that some lower income people are getting paid more to _not_ work now, due to unemployment benefits and the CARES Act. I'm not saying that I agree with those politicians. It seems like the concern for lower income people runs the gamut from them not being able to make it to them living high on the benefits hog. Edit: It's not just politicians-- similar stories are on CNBC: https://ww…
Why would you not agree? It’s simple math. In most states, your weekly unemployment is half your salary, up to a cap. Under the CARES Act, you then add $600/week. So if that extra $600 is more than half your weekly paycheck, you earn more on unemployment. It works out to everyone earning less than about $62,000, which is more than half of people in most of the country. Pointing out that this creates a disincentive to…
In my state, unemployment maxes out at $400/week, not half my salary. So with CARES, I would get an additional $600 for a total of $1k/week. This doesn't last indefinitely, only 26 weeks. Also, unemployment isn't immediate; in my state (prior to the huge backlog) it could take up to 21 days to get paid. Now I assume it's longer.
So someone on unemployment is only "making" up to $26K, then they're SOL.
Re: The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is being extended through May
#597I hate how the idea of reopening has split down political party lines. This is definitely not the time for partisanship. Now that Republicans have come out as pro-reopening, San Francisco will be the last city to reopen in the country. 0 COVID-19 infections will be too many.
You can't have the expectation of paying debts and simultaneously take away people's means for repaying it. Responsibility without control is cruel.
Growing up, my parents maybe would have had an extra $100 at the end of the month. My dad would have probably been out of work - given that, each month they were out of work would have put them in a year's worth of debt. A financial death.
Re: The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is being extended through May
#598Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is why "We're in this together" is just not true. Oprah has it better than me right now. But we both have it way better than my hairdresser (who knows if her salon will survive). And all three of us have it better than a Silicon Valley janitor. I'm filled every day with deep, deep sadness for everyone whose refrigerators are running out with their bank account at zero.
"We're all in this together" is more of an aspirational phrase, meant to motivate the better-off to contribute. When it doesn't work, the people who aren't better off will of course be reminded every time they hear it that the system is failing them.
It's one more of those meaningless demonstrations of support that social media has generalized.
Communicating that "we're all in this together" is as effective as a giving "like" to the Facebook page of a person dying from cancer raising money for their treatment.
The person who hits that "like" surely feels better about themselves and sees social media as a facilitator of this effortless moral redemption.
PS: The individuals building these systems are aware of this.
Re: The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is being extended through May
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Is community spread of zero a worthwhile goal? SF still has thousands of people (maybe tens of thousands) coming in and out of the city every day to deliver things, see family, return home, etc. As long as this is still happening (there is no way for SF to prevent this) what is the point of fixating on zero new cases. Consider two cases: - On May 15 SF has had no new cases since May 1st. It decides to reopen. - On Ma…
Community spread of zero is not the goal. The goal is to get the transmission rate below 1. A transmission rate of 1 means no average 1 person infects 1 other person. You need a transmission rate below 1 to start reducing the rate of new infections. Above 1, you have exponential growth. Right now we are hovering around 0.9. To reopen we need a rate of about 0.75. For comparison the lockdowns in Wuhan achieved a rate…
Wuhan is a good example why community spread of near 0 is the primary goal. The restaurants have opened but are struggling because people are still afraid of getting sick and have changed their behavior.
White collar jobs will keep telecommuting if there’s a risk of community spread. No hr/leg department wants the liability. The secondary effects are decrease in demand on automobile related businesses like gas stations, servicing. Also decrease in car sales. Also the company ban on business travel which hits airlines, hotels, conferences etc.
Re: The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is being extended through May
#600I hate how the idea of reopening has split down political party lines. This is definitely not the time for partisanship. Now that Republicans have come out as pro-reopening, San Francisco will be the last city to reopen in the country. 0 COVID-19 infections will be too many.
Are you okay?
What is that supposed to mean?