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At Least 13 People Died by Suicide Amid U.K. Post Office Scandal, Report Says

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That’s true, but it’s unclear the extent to which any of that was a factor. For example, how was the Post Office’s access to the PNC relevant here? It may be that the CPS would have taken over these prosecutions and dropped them if the company in question had been, say, Tesco. But I don’t see how we can be sure of this.

> It may be that the CPS would have taken over these prosecutions and dropped them if the company in question had been, say, Tesco. But I don’t see how we can be sure of this. I agree we can't know for sure. But I think it's a mistake to shrug it off and assume the fact it was the Post Office had nothing to do with how it played out.

> But I think it's a mistake to shrug it off and assume the fact it was the Post Office had nothing to do with how it played out.

I agree. My only aim here was to correct some of the wild misconceptions about the powers of the Post Office that pop up in these threads. It’s one thing to suggest that the Post Office was given special deference by the CPS and other parts of the legal system. It’s another thing to suggest that the Post Office has its own judges, or that the Post Office has some kind of unique legal power to bring private prosecutions. Unfortunately, serious factual errors of this kind tend to get passed over lightly in pile-on threads where everyone wants to vent their (justifiable) anger at the Post Office. People expend more energy responding to my factually accurate posts (probably because I don’t redundantly rant about how awful the Post Office is) than they do correcting blatant misinformation.

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This was depressing to read. Failures at so many levels. 1. Immediately after Horizon was rolled out, issues were reported. But ignored 2. Prosecutors didn't bother to verify if there is another explanation before accusing thousands of people of stealing? Isn't it common sense to pause for a second and think, "could we please double check the evidence? how can thousands of postal workers suddenly turn into thieves?"…

I really do agree. I was a lead Technical Architect and authority on behalf of HM Treasury for a while, and I will tell you this: this is just the tip of the iceberg in government procurement. I've witnessed faulty systems in DVLA, DEFRA, DWP, Home Office, MOJ and Scottish Government. Systems that have directly resulted in suicide, false convictions, corruption and loss of money to the public purse. The problem with…

Wow, have you considered leaking these stories somewhere?

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>What they did was profoundly wrong and they have blood on their hands. This, so much this. Not ONLY that but they kept DOUBLING DOWN for YEARS. I SO SO wish they would be held accountable for the pain, suffering, Chapter 11's, AND the suicides.

Bankruptcy is probably not chapter 11 in the UK. (or is it?)

haha, you're right. I am so American.

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whats veganism got to do with comitting suicide?

Many vegans think everyone else is evil/demonic for eating meat. “Meat is murder” etc etc. So the natural conclusion to that is, according to several vegans I know, that everyone who eats meat should be forced to either stop being a mass murderer or kill themselves. Keep in mind there was a point where I was vegan, I know several vegans, so I know what I’m talking about. They’re not shy about it either—look up That V…

I was vegan for 3 years and never came across this ideology. Maybe you got caught in some weird algorithms or something
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