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TikTok videos leave teens thinking they have rare mental disorders (2021)

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Re: TikTok videos leave teens thinking they have rare mental disorders (2021)

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Post by mtlmtlmtlmtl »

kkielhofner wrote: post #397
mtlmtlmtlmtl wrote: post #368

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I think the main point of removing this exclusion is that you can be depressed and bereaved at the same time. Or you could be so depressed due to bereavement that you still need treatment. In DSM-V it's left to the clinician to distinguish between clinically significant depression and a healthy, transitory reaction to bereavement. The reason for this is to avoid cases where people who need treatment are dismissed too…

As the other comment with his wife and the NICU situation noted, the point here is people should be left to deal with life if they’re going through some shit. IIRC the bereavement exclusion was six months? This made sense to me, if you had some terrible event in your life and you’re not back to something resembling your baseline mood and function after roughly that time period there’s probably something going on that…

The point is that it's non-trivial to determine whether someone is simply bereaved. Or depressed, and bereaved. If someone is already depressed, bereavement is one of those things that can push them over the edge into attempting suicide. The exclusion criterion was too simplistic to cover the nuance of the differential diagnosis, so it was removed. It is a non-sequitur to say that the removal from the DSM is an endorsement of diagnosing MDD in all bereaved people. Some doctors might be doing that, but then the problem is that those doctors are doing the wrong thing, and whatever societal pressures might have affected them to do so. There is still disagreement about it in the field, and if the consensus shifts again it could very well end up being added back in, but probably I think it will evolve into a more specific diagnostic procedure to tell the cases apart.

Re: TikTok videos leave teens thinking they have rare mental disorders (2021)

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Post by Retric »

kkielhofner wrote: post #365
Retric wrote: post #330

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That’s wildly wrong. The medical community adopted depression and anxiety from general use dating back to the 1500’s rather than the other way around. “The meaning "dejection, state of sadness, a sinking of the spirits" is from early 15c. (as a clinical term in psychology, from 1905);” https://www.etymonline.com/word/depression “anxiety (n.) 1520s, "apprehension caused by danger, misfortune, or error, uneasiness of m…

I think we’re talking past each other here? The medical diagnoses are generalized anxiety disorder and major depressive disorder (with a variety of variations). Both of which, in common usage, have meaning. The average person with their arm in a cast doesn’t say they “have a compound fracture of the radius and ulna”. They say they broke their arm or MAYBE fractured their arm. In this case the simple language and medi…

I think you have been reading to much into this. Less formal language get’s odd when you take it literally.

People casually describe emotions in a silly number of ways. Sometimes it’s possessive like “I got (hungry, depressed)” Other times it’s a state like “I am (hungry, depressed).” Sometimes it’s a transformation “That makes me so (hungry, depressed, happy, angry).” etc

Most people aren’t suggesting a medical diagnosis any more than “I have a crush” suggests you physically caught someone.

Also, “I broke my arm” doesn’t always imply someone broke a bone. Ex-pitchers for example sometimes use the phase to refer to a lack of functionality, though busted is more general.

Re: TikTok videos leave teens thinking they have rare mental disorders (2021)

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Post by jnovek »

stephenhuey wrote: post #515
jnovek wrote: post #457

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I’m sorry for this entire experience that you’ve had. It sounds like a waking nightmare. I’m curious, did any doctor bring up therapy? I have major depressive disorder and I take antidepressants to help manage it. There was a landmark study a few years ago indicating that, while SSRIs/SNRIs are beneficial for people like me, they are no more effective than the placebo for people experiencing transient depression. The…

Crying when sad has been helpful for a very long time. I’m not saying therapy is never helpful, but as a parent I’m also annoyed by the medical folks in wincy’s story for pushing pills when they faced a tougher situation than any I have ever experienced and crying was certainly a very normal response. And venting to friends and receiving hugs probably helped even though the expected ache might remain while the baby w…

Are you an able bodied person? Because when someone says people in America take “too many pills” it sounds like a very able bodied mindset.

I take 8 daily prescription medications to cope with chronic pain and chronic mental health issues. Removing any of them would diminish my quality of life in some way.

How are compassionate friends going to help me manage depression which is endemic to my brain and has no cause in my perceived reality?

Life comes in many perspectives. Before you prescribe how the disabled should live, please at least imagine walking a mile in our shoes.

Re: TikTok videos leave teens thinking they have rare mental disorders (2021)

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Post by sam0x17 »

woweoe wrote: post #382
sam0x17 wrote: post #40

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I for one will be giving my child unfettered and unmonitored access to the internet as I had growing up. I will be suplementing that experience with plenty of education on how to avoid some of the pitfalls, but I find the best way to learn that stuff is to experience it yourself.

I think that the biggest difference with the current situation is the 24/7 reach. You were forced to unplug from the internet for much of the day during your generation simply because there was no way to reach the internet, but nowadays you are on the internet for everything and you can't even unplug to study, work or contact anyone. Anyone who is on TikTok uses it all their waking time.

Not true. I had a laptop starting at age 12 and unfettered 24/7 access, which I'd often use to play around with PHP and things until 3 AM :D

If I didn't have that formative experience of learning to time-manage and manage my own little technology addictions before going to college, college would have been really rough.

And this was very early 2000s like 2004

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RealityVoid wrote: post #565
foldr wrote: post #143

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I think there is a kernel of truth here in that I feel there is a lack of healthy male role models and there is a lack of support for mental health for men. Women also have their difficulties, but society is, in my perception, overall, much more supportive for female problems than male problems. In this aspect, I get where the manosfere is coming from. But I think _a lot_ of these communities come at this from a wron…

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Re: TikTok videos leave teens thinking they have rare mental disorders (2021)

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Post by jnovek »

kortex wrote: post #301
jnovek wrote: post #43

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> Basically, are they "well-adjusted"? This is a radically behaviorist interpretation. A common criticism of the diagnostics for ADHD (and Autism, for that matter) is that it ignores the person’s internal experience. I was formally diagnosed with ADHD in 2017. I’d been visibly quite successful in that time, but at the expense of my own mental health because I was fighting a constant uphill battle. ADHD was a set of s…

I think we are on the same page. Not being confrontational, but please re-read my comment, specifically: > If they make it through school, college and adulthood without a ton of struggling You wrote: > but at the expense of my own mental health because I was fighting a constant uphill battle. Gp wrote: > "By what process can someone reasonably determine that they are NOT neurodivergent?" I'm using "well-adjusted" her…

I reread and I think I pulled the trigger a bit early on that one. I advocate for myself and I recognize that I can premature to the defense at times. :-) I’m sorry!

Re: TikTok videos leave teens thinking they have rare mental disorders (2021)

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Post by forbiddenvoid »

freebreakfast wrote: post #46

I recently discovered "systems" people via Reddit (r/SystemsCringe) will searching for systems engineering. The core belief seems to be that the individual has "multiple people" living in the same body. They've devised a whole language for talking about it as well[0]. This reminds me of the "otherkin" fad that occurred primarily on Tumblr about a decade ago[1]. It was where teenagers believed themselves to not be hum…

I encountered variants of the 'otherkin' community in the mid/late 90s as a teenager. It was an interesting time. It existed in forums and chatrooms online at least that early. It wouldn't surprise me to find out there were BBSs for these communities even earlier than that.

Adolescents tend to engage in community-seeking behavior to a great extent, and if they're not finding it in their schools or local community, they'll almost certainly look to find it online.

Re: TikTok videos leave teens thinking they have rare mental disorders (2021)

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Post by Minor49er »

AndrewVos wrote: post #508
Minor49er wrote: post #396

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Another weird trend of this is that these self-diagnoses are brought up as if they're personality traits. From what I've seen, Gen Z is much more likely to introduce themselves to others by saying things like "My name is [xyz] and I'm bipolar transfluid asexual with depression" or similar

Nobody has ever said this to you in your entire life

They actually have. Meeting my significant other's family, her niece came up to me and specifically introduced herself as her father's son

Re: TikTok videos leave teens thinking they have rare mental disorders (2021)

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Post by jnovek »

Ensorceled wrote: post #374
kortex wrote: post #336

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> Just not happy or healthy or as successful as I could have been. That is precisely what I mean. You were not naturally "well-adjusted", you just learned to adjust and adapt over time. It wasn't the best choice of words but I can't edit.

There are clinicians who believe that if you are not "below average" or "experiencing extreme distress" then, by definition, you don't have a disorder. Because I have a well paying job, some clinicians would not categorize me has having ADHD because I'm operating at an "above average" capacity. We're just reacting to what appears to be agreement with that approach, even if unintentional.

Yes, this is what I though kortex meant. Thank you for clarifying.
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