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Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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throw310822 wrote: post #549
hersko wrote: post #530

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Everything that happens it the world is because Israel was secretly behind it. Right?

It's not a secret at all: https://news.un.org/en/story/2018/09/1021192 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Netanyahu%27s_2015_ad...

Do you not understand cause and effect? You think Netanyahu said Iran is trying to build nukes, then the world sanctioned Iran, then they started trying to build nukes? Is that what you're saying?

Also, you think Iran is only sanctioned because of their nuclear weapons program?

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Post by diffs »

epsters wrote: post #559
hersko wrote: post #515

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This is a wild take. You think the arab spring, Syrian revolution, Libyan revolution, Iraq war, interventions in Somalia and Sudan etc.. we're all CIA operations at the behest of Israel? Seriously?

I mentioned many conflicts and many countries so this is very broad to cover in one comment but i will try, briefly. I have heard many theories given over the years to justify these interventions - democracy, capitalism, liberalism, oil, minerals, gas-pipelines, gas-fields, neoconservatism, neoliberalism, neo-colonialism, fighting terror, WMDs, fighting rogue states, checking expansionism, checking communism, counter…

Completely crazy. Not only had the war in Iraq hurt Israeli security, rather than improving it, Israel opposed the war knowing that it would be damaging rather than beneficial. What you have is not "the Israel Theory", what you have is a conspiracy theory.

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Post by selectively »

inglor_cz wrote: post #342
jdthedisciple wrote: post #334

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Don't worry, you're not the only person who can't answer this question. Nobody can, that I know of.

I don't worry much here, given that HN isn't a very lucrative space to infest with bots. We will hold out for a few years here. I am no longer on Facebook or Twitter/X, where that question is very relevant.

Hn is loaded with bots and this thread in particular is full of things that somehow have less political literacy than the typical American 8th grader.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by tptacek »

thisislife2 wrote: post #558
joenot443 wrote: post #445

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I think when westerners like myself notice the disparity in response amongst western progressives between the Palestinian and Iranian situations, they're talking more from a social lens than the geopolitical one. A lot of my peers have been incredibly active on social media the last couple years supporting Palestinians. They've been mostly completely silent on Iran, the imbalance is notable.

What "imbalance"? It is disingenuous to equate the two political situations as the same: 1. Palestine is a settler-colony of Israel, where the Israeli-right currently in power is conducting a genocide of Palestinians in Gaza ( https://www.btselem.org/publications/202507_our_genocide ) while continuing to steal their land and deny them basic rights. ( https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/6/who-are-israeli-set... ).…

1. Palestine is not a settler-colony of Israel.

2. The opposition in Iran is not orchestrated by the west.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by epsters »

hersko wrote: post #570
epsters wrote: post #559

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I mentioned many conflicts and many countries so this is very broad to cover in one comment but i will try, briefly. I have heard many theories given over the years to justify these interventions - democracy, capitalism, liberalism, oil, minerals, gas-pipelines, gas-fields, neoconservatism, neoliberalism, neo-colonialism, fighting terror, WMDs, fighting rogue states, checking expansionism, checking communism, counter…

Your brain is fried. To think one tiny country is controlling and directing all world events is just laughable.

>To think one tiny country is controlling and directing all world events is just laughable.

No. i think one tiny country directs American foreign policy in the MENA region, and Europe by-and-large follows its lead. You haven't countered the substance of my claims. You frankly seem low-information on the matter.

Re: Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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Post by givemeethekeys »

sepisoad wrote: post #391

An iranian expat here. I have been following the news closely, mostly getting my data from my friends in Iran before the internet shutdown and after it was (sort of) lifted. The death toll is way above this number, you have to consider the fact that Iran is a big country with many small cities, and in my city alone (which is very small and rarely has any protest going on) many people have died (i don’t have the exact…

How are the regime able to do this? Do a majority if Iranians support them? Too afraid? The only job is the government job? Why choose to partake in the massacre even if you are on Team Ayatollah? Do those guards not consider the people the kill as Iranians?

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Post by erezsh »

throwaw12 wrote: post #564
sepisoad wrote: post #391

An iranian expat here. I have been following the news closely, mostly getting my data from my friends in Iran before the internet shutdown and after it was (sort of) lifted. The death toll is way above this number, you have to consider the fact that Iran is a big country with many small cities, and in my city alone (which is very small and rarely has any protest going on) many people have died (i don’t have the exact…

> because they see Mullah’s regime as one of their biggest allies when it comes to attack West/Israel/Free market you are looking it differently, I disagree, I am one of those who supported Palestine. Reason we are silent, because our governments already did what's needed from our side: heavily sanctioned the Iran, if I go and protest, what do I ask? To sanction Iran? They would laugh at me. Obviously, I am not going…

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Post by finghin »

bombcar wrote: post #467
mikkupikku wrote: post #294

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With such a large difference between these estimates, it makes 36500 seem suspiciously precise. Comes across like a significant digit violation.

This is where using "between" instead of a somewhat precise number, even if your formulas and calculations resulted in it.

There is a word for this: “approximately”

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Post by y-c-o-m-b »

rayiner wrote: post #183
redwood wrote: post #54

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It is a source run by expatriate Iranians of the diaspora.. the fact that so many people just discount their point of view it's pretty frustrating. If you speak to Iranians that you work with it's pretty illuminating

The “Iranians that you work with” in the west are highly self-selecting. They’re like Cubans in Florida or Vietnamese—people who fled in the aftermath of the revolution and are extremely antagonistic towards the regime. My family left Bangladesh the year after the dictator made Islam the official religion. My dad is apoplectic about the Islamist parties being unbanned recently after the government was overthrown. By…

> But this is not an uncommon sentiment among the Iranian diaspora

Iranian-American here, I have never heard a single Iranian badmouth Carter or his family in my entire life. This is the first time I'm hearing of it.

> extremely antagonistic towards the regime

On the other hand, this point is very accurate, I can confirm. There's a reason we left, after all. To my earlier point: this is consistently the direction of our anger - towards the regime - not the Carter administration.

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