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Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by oneeyedpigeon »

etempleton wrote: post #150
smcleod wrote: post #95

I've been running it since the RC and am currently in the process of uninstalling it. The new UI is so incredibly ugly I honestly cannot understand how they thought it was acceptable to even released as a beta let alone an RC and now release. There's SO much padding and wasted screen real estate, disjointed looking floating inner panels, window corners that are so rounded you see gaps in full screen apps, inconsisten…

I have been running the beta from the beginning and they have improved quite a bit, but I am actually shocked they didn't delay Mac OS 26, because the design is so rough around the edges. Some of the larger aesthetic changes, such as the menu bar and the dock look good, but there is so much more that looks objectively awful. 1. the way window UI elements float in bubbles on the top over a white background is horrible…

My big issue with the icons-in-menus is that they don't align properly. Each 'row' in a menu is an optional icon with some text to the right of it. But when an icon isn't displayed, the text shifts left into its position, meaning that menu text no longer aligns nicely on the left.

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by HeckFeck »

heavyset_go wrote: post #125
12_throw_away wrote: post #79

I swear I don't usually complain about UI styling updates, because it's usually not a big deal - but this looks really, really bad [1]. It's less functional with bizarre transparency choices destroying legibility, and big rounded corners taking up more dead space. And stylistically, the layouts just look unbalanced and amateurish (It reminds me of what happens when I attempt to do CSS layouts). Most Linux desktops un…

Windows Aero is back

Aero didn't have absurd padding. It made good use of texture, colour and shade. It actually looked quite appealing. We've been steadily downhill since.

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by oneeyedpigeon »

basisword wrote: post #266
FabHK wrote: post #221

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> 4. The app launcher is gone, and replaced by Spotlight, which is worse. Do you mean the Launchpad? (I've never used it; but always use Spotlight to launch apps.)

The biggest surprise to me from this whole beta period is that a significant number of people used Launchpad. I have absolutely zero idea why when Spotlight has existed for more than 20 years. Why would you ever want to click and page through a giant iPhone screen on a desktop/laptop computer?

You don't have to click: Launchpad is available via an unmodified F4, so it's a single button press to bring up instantly, no matter what you're doing.

You don't have to "page through a giant iPhone screen", you can type and select. I used to use it all the time, without ever reaching for the mouse to do so.

Launchpad also let you change the order of app icons and group them into pages and folders; I don't think the new system lets you do any of these things.

Launchpad was focussed on a single task: launching an app. If I need to launch an app, I know I need to 99.9% of the time (I'm hedging; it's probably 100%), so there's no benefit showing me documents, web pages, and god-knows-what-else at the same time.

I nearly forgot: while I was testing Tahoe, I had a situation in which some apps just did not show up when I typed. They were in the list, they just got filtered out incorrectly. I've no idea if this was a bug or not; I'll see when I upgrade to the final release.

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by junaru »

Reubend wrote: post #503
fridder wrote: post #180

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If there is an alternative to the m-series that lets me keep the battery life I'd jump ship. The m-series chips are just so good though

There are now plenty of ARM laptops with Windows (and Linux) support and very similar, if not better, battery life.

Like?

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by oneeyedpigeon »

robmsmt wrote: post #483
socalgal2 wrote: post #472

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I don't use Launchpad but I can say, for me, Spotlight sucks! It decides at random times not to complete. I have it set to show apps only. I don't want it to find other things. But quite often I'll press Cmd-Space and type something and it won't find it. For example I just tried "pho" and it did not show Photoshop (which is on my system) but did show stuff completely unrelated to apps and I double checked, I only hav…

This is a bug. The applications need to be reindexed. Happened to me on my work laptop and personal one

Schrödinger's Spotlight: always indexing and hogging your CPU, never quite indexing everything properly.

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by oneeyedpigeon »

bombcar wrote: post #286
basisword wrote: post #266

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The biggest surprise to me from this whole beta period is that a significant number of people used Launchpad. I have absolutely zero idea why when Spotlight has existed for more than 20 years. Why would you ever want to click and page through a giant iPhone screen on a desktop/laptop computer?

If you have multiple ways to do something on a computer/phone, some relatively large percentage of people will fumble around until they figure out a way to do it - and then do it that way forever. So if someone accidentally triggered Launchpad and realized they could see their apps, they might use that forever (not knowing you can put your Applications folder in your Dock and use it as a start menu lol).

Or, equally, they might never discover the advantages of Launchpad and always use inferior alternatives :)

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by ksynwa »

I'd like to see the presentation they used internally to sell the liquid glass aeshetic. I bet it is sillier than the famous Pepsi logo redesign document.

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by ksec »

rvrb wrote: post #144
smcleod wrote: post #95

I've been running it since the RC and am currently in the process of uninstalling it. The new UI is so incredibly ugly I honestly cannot understand how they thought it was acceptable to even released as a beta let alone an RC and now release. There's SO much padding and wasted screen real estate, disjointed looking floating inner panels, window corners that are so rounded you see gaps in full screen apps, inconsisten…

It was the straw that broke the camel’s back for me. After trying out the preview for a month, the writing was on the wall, and I began the process of switching to a Thinkpad with Linux. I am now fully off macOS for the first time in 20 years of being an Apple die hard. I could use a lot of emotionally loaded words to describe how I feel about this release, but the long and short of it is that I am no longer the targ…

I have no where to go. I want to move away from iPhone, but Pixel is not available in my place, and Google doesn't seems to care about distribution. Nor does it do enough with its SoC development. There aren't anything come close on Laptop. And Windows or Linux aren't exactly in good shape either. I have no where to run. And I have wished for a third option for a very very long time.

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by oneeyedpigeon »

derefr wrote: post #511
viraptor wrote: post #293

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Because I vaguely remember that one icon I use every other month, but can't recall the name. The icons are also ordered by installation time, so it's easy to jump to the most recent ones. I use it rarely, but sometimes I'm happy it's there.

> The icons are also ordered by installation time, so it's easy to jump to the most recent ones. If I had this need, it wouldn’t even occur to me to solve it with Launchpad; I would just go to /Applications in Finder and sort by “Date Added”. (Which is a non-default column, but a very helpful one, so the series of gestures to enable it for a given folder is almost reflexive to me now.)

That only really works if you have a totally flat Applications hierarchy. Even by default, macOS creates a "Utilities" subfolder.

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by oneeyedpigeon »

Telemakhos wrote: post #376
gcanyon wrote: post #354

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> click and page through a giant iPhone screen 1. Launchpad filters based on what you type. You don't have to page through things 2. As soon as you type anything, the first hit is selected and the return key launches it 3. Launchpad shows nothing but apps. As an app launcher, it's fantastic. If Launchpad is gone I'm going to be sad.

Launchpad is not actually gone: it's now a sub-unit of Spotlight. I still have an M1 Macbook Pro with touch strip, and my Launchpad touch strip button still works, bringing up Spotlight but with a predicate that makes it search only ./Applications and ~/Applications.

That's not Launchpad; it's inferior in many ways.
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