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The Microsoft 365 Copilot launch was a disaster

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Re: The Microsoft 365 Copilot launch was a disaster

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Post by ambigious7777 »

edm0nd wrote: post #317
Fr0styMatt88 wrote: post #248

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So much this, when you see Zuck or even Jensen Huang saying "software engineers won't be needed anymore" and being excited about it you get pissed off as a software engineer lol. I feel like Microsoft's whole thing with Windows 11 has been "just force the users to do what we want them to do, we know better than they do" so it doesn't surprise me that 365 went the same way. I'm saying this and I'm a person that's usua…

>I feel like Microsoft's whole thing with Windows 11 has been "just force the users to do what we want them to do, we know better than they do" My biggest gripe about Win11 is they stole from us the ability to move the task bar. It can ONLY be pinned to the bottom of the screen now. For the longest time, I was a top of the screen taskbar user. From what I've read, they have no plans to implement or change this "featu…

It's possible to do it using [ExplorerPatcher] I think, but it's not officially supported.

[ExplorerPatcher]: https://github.com/valinet/ExplorerPatcher

Re: The Microsoft 365 Copilot launch was a disaster

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Post by hakfoo »

dreamcompiler wrote: post #365
Fr0styMatt88 wrote: post #248

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So much this, when you see Zuck or even Jensen Huang saying "software engineers won't be needed anymore" and being excited about it you get pissed off as a software engineer lol. I feel like Microsoft's whole thing with Windows 11 has been "just force the users to do what we want them to do, we know better than they do" so it doesn't surprise me that 365 went the same way. I'm saying this and I'm a person that's usua…

> So much this, when you see Zuck or even Jensen Huang saying "software engineers won't be needed anymore" and being excited about it you get pissed off as a software engineer lol. The real story nobody is saying out loud is that CEOs are much more replaceable by AI than are software engineers.

CEOs are replaceable by a bag of D20s. Let's not waste the watts on a LLM.

Re: The Microsoft 365 Copilot launch was a disaster

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Post by riffraff »

RavlaAlvar wrote: post #207
riffraff wrote: post #198

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amazon? I mean they have some data center stuff, but amazon-the-website does not seem infected with artificial idiocy yet.

What are you talking about, they added a chat bot on amazon.com

I believe it must be US-only then, I don't see it in my european amazon.

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Post by disqard »

majewsky wrote: post #569
disqard wrote: post #554

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Yes, I agree with the picture you're painting here, but it befuddles me where all these grifters think they'll go? They'll have to live in bunkers for the rest of their lives. Imagine that you're one of them, and you want to go watch a game (or a T. Swift concert) -- so you hop on your private jet and go to the stadium/arena. If you happen to be caught on-camera and your face is up there, on the Jumbotron, every sing…

They'll just fly Taylor in for a private concert. Everybody has a price.

You are right, and you made me sadder. Have an upboat.

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Post by rswail »

aragilar wrote: post #440
rswail wrote: post #386

I'm in Australia and didn't get the automatic option to "downgrade" to what I already had. I got on the online chat and they were able to do it. Took an hour of them faffing around to get it to happen.

Report it to the ACCC as well, the more complaints they get the more likely they'll take up the issue.

How has MS broken any of Australia's competition laws/regulations here? They put up the price on their product and (theoretically) "added value" to justify it.

They didn't/don't have to offer "Classic" but they do. They make you jump through hoops to get it. That's not stuff that ACCC will do something about.

Re: The Microsoft 365 Copilot launch was a disaster

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Post by rogual »

rpdillon wrote: post #142
for_i_in_range wrote: post #8

Hate that if you use Word for Mac, you now have Copilot next to your cursor with no way of turning it off. I just want to use Word. I like its print layout features better than Pages. I don't want to switch. Just let me write and leave me alone. Now they're jamming AI down my throat without any opt-out mechanism.

Fascinating strategy. It looks like they're forcing everybody into it, so it's opt-out, except there is no opt-out in the initial version of the app. They seem to be in the process of adding it now. > In your app (for example, Word), select the app menu, and then go to Preferences > Authoring and Proofing Tools > Copilot > Clear the Enable Copilot checkbox > Close and restart the app. > If you do not see the related…

Something about the way Microsoft writes just rubs me the wrong way.

Not: "Please wait for ... an update" But: "Please be patient and wait for ... an update"

It's not just their staff here, it's all over the docs and UI too. They can't write two sentences without saying something condescending and rude.

Like in Word, if you look for how to turn off grammar checking, they'll tell you, but they just have to add "Remember to run spell check. Spelling and grammar errors can seriously undermine what you're trying to say, especially when your boss, your teacher, or that person in HR sees them." [1]

They can't help themselves.

[1] https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/office/turn-spell-check-...

Re: The Microsoft 365 Copilot launch was a disaster

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Post by beowulfey »

optionalsquid wrote: post #169
beowulfey wrote: post #122

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IMO, that is encouraging a very bad habit.

How so? None of this would more than mildly inconvenience me if it were lost. Important notes/files are of course saved in appropriate locations, but a lot things aren't that important

If you get used to it for some cases, it becomes harder to remember in instances that do not autosave!

Just my opinion though.

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Post by c00kien1gg3r »

cookiengineer wrote: post #371
BoorishBears wrote: post #359

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What I described doesn't have to be utopian in an absolute sense, just significantly better than where we're currently headed. I think a lot of the unchecked pessimism around super-intelligent AI is just people being a bit naive or shut off from the reality of just how terrible things are going to be over the next century. We're waging 25% tariffs over planefuls of people, what's going to happen when it's 100 million…

I agree in part with your views. Though I think you misunderstand or underestimate human nature of self interest. Everyone that is in control of a superpower like this will abuse it. Be it on a presidential level, be it on CEO level, be it a major shareholder of a foreign NGO. That is why we had democratic splits of types of power in the first place. I say "had" because the trend globally is leading to right wing aut…

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Post by k8sToGo »

xgkickt wrote: post #559
k8sToGo wrote: post #194

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What about the super exciting new Teams and Outlook!

I was trying to join a meeting in Teams from the calendar when up popped a “How are you enjoying Calendar” star rating dialog. I’ve never once listed “Office Calendars” amongst things that I enjoy. Much less now with this needy feedback blocking me from entering the meeting.

Those constant pop ups are super annoying

Re: The Microsoft 365 Copilot launch was a disaster

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Post by IIsi50MHz »

edm0nd wrote: post #317
Fr0styMatt88 wrote: post #248

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So much this, when you see Zuck or even Jensen Huang saying "software engineers won't be needed anymore" and being excited about it you get pissed off as a software engineer lol. I feel like Microsoft's whole thing with Windows 11 has been "just force the users to do what we want them to do, we know better than they do" so it doesn't surprise me that 365 went the same way. I'm saying this and I'm a person that's usua…

>I feel like Microsoft's whole thing with Windows 11 has been "just force the users to do what we want them to do, we know better than they do" My biggest gripe about Win11 is they stole from us the ability to move the task bar. It can ONLY be pinned to the bottom of the screen now. For the longest time, I was a top of the screen taskbar user. From what I've read, they have no plans to implement or change this "featu…

Perhaps, after decades of application bugs caused by developers not properly accounting for taskbar position and size, random ordinary users being distressed by accident'ly moving or resizing the taskbar and unable to get it back (leaving aside savvy users), Microsoft have given up? I seem to recall various articles on this over the years, including on Raymond Chen's "The Old New Thing".

Mild example: https://devblogs.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20040513-00/?p=39...

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