And here I just thought it was a crappy BIOS...many is the time I've undocked, thrown it in the messenger bag, then pulled it out at another location only to have it roasting with the fan on full.
So, sleep isn't sleep apparently
Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag
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Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag
#572I stopped using my Microsoft Surface Pro because it had the same issues. It's a clusterfuck of bad design decisions at Microsoft, the most offensive one being that they prioritize the execution of their scheduled spyware upload (telemetry) over honoring the agreement with the user that a sleeping PC will remain asleep unless the user takes action. It'll even install updates at night and then make reboot sounds to wak…
I mean, I know it's too late to help you, but running "powercfg.exe /lastwake" after a windows computer wakes from standby will tell you exactly what woke it up, if it knows. I've never had it return with "unknown" once in over a decade, but some people I know have. if you can find all the things waking the computer, and fix those things, it will never wake without user intervention. usually, for me, it's been device…
>>I mean, I know it's too late to help you, but running "powercfg.exe /lastwake" after a windows computer wakes from standby will tell you exactly what woke it up, if it knows.
I'm one of those people - my computer kept waking up in the middle of the night and that command would always just return "wake source: unknown" for me.
Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag
#573Earlier quoted context omitted.
The takeaway from this thread is that there is no platform safe from this issue.
*except Macs. I daily drive my desktop with Linux and occasionally game with Windows (it’s set up to be my driver as well with WSL2, but that happens rarely). I’ll only use Mac laptops. I’ve screwed around with others, but for about 18 years they have been the only ones that have been reliable, with good build quality, and no molten backpacks yet.
There are some people reporting problems with Macs on this thread...
What is bad, because if there were one platform that would avoid this problem it would be Macs. But anyway, my phone does that once in a while too... Phones also shouldn't do it.
It's not even a hard problem to solve. There is a single piece of code that wakes a device up, you just have to not call it everywhere. If you don't control all the code, just require some kind of permission, and don't go granting it to the team that writes the system updater.
Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag
#574Earlier quoted context omitted.
Me too. The Yubikey nano -- the little one meant to be permanently left in a usb slot your laptop -- absolutely nukes the battery in my mac, draining it on "sleep" to zero within a day or so. Infuriating incompetence.
Huh. What version Mac/OSX are you using? I've had a Yubikey Nano plugged into various iterations of a MacBook Pro for years and haven't noticed this. The worst battery killer for me is Firefox.
10.14, late 2019 16 inch mbp
I thought I was being crazy and that maybe something was brushing it, so I let it sit in a moat on my desk immediately after booting. Full battery discharge in sleep in under 30 hours.
Without the yubikey, a full weekend sitting on my desk from a full charge leaves a reported 100% of battery.
Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag
#575Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is the literal reason I switched to OSX. I dislike the impractical design of Macbooks - horrible connectivity and no way to swap batteries. However the combination of 15 hrs battery life + closing the lid and it not melting a hole in my bag trumps any negatives.
Be careful. My Macbook Pro cooked it's display twice. Some program made it not go to sleep when I closed the lid, I put it in my backpack, and it overheated the display so much that I had yellow-brownish spots (which followed gravity over time). No way to check if it's sleeping when the lid is closed, because reasons...
This happened to my iPhone 1 too. Caused a really ugly burn in the display :'(
Of course iOS wasn't as stable as it is now.. I don't think this will still happen.
Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag
#576Earlier quoted context omitted.
Be careful. My Macbook Pro cooked it's display twice. Some program made it not go to sleep when I closed the lid, I put it in my backpack, and it overheated the display so much that I had yellow-brownish spots (which followed gravity over time). No way to check if it's sleeping when the lid is closed, because reasons...
I really miss the "snoring" light that Macbooks used to have, though more to tell if the computer is actually waking up.
I really don't get why they left the light off them. It's not something that takes any space at all and they can even make it invisible when off with their micro holes like they did with the old Bluetooth keyboard.
Sometimes it seems Apple is just minimalist for the sake of it. Because this is really a useful feature.
Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag
#577This is more of a Windows problem than a Dell problem. Windows seems to be terrible at going to sleep and staying asleep.
My current and previous Windows laptops (neither were from Dell) are/were set to sleep for 15 minutes and then hibernate when I have the lid closed, because otherwise they would randomly wake up, deplete the battery, generate lots of heat, and sometimes wake me up in the middle of the night.
I've also had desktop PCs with Windows that just refused to go to / stay asleep for various reasons including windows updates (that still hadn't completed a week later) and a documentation website that had a small silent video on loop (like an animated gif.)
My 2019 MacBook is better about this; once it goes to sleep, it seems to stay asleep. But it's still not perfect - I hit an issue where the iOS simulator and/or the Android emulator caused it to stay awake with the lid shut and drain my battery. So now I do kill those before closing the lid. But it does feel safe to put in a bag once it's actually asleep.
Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag
#578Earlier quoted context omitted.
I mean, I know it's too late to help you, but running "powercfg.exe /lastwake" after a windows computer wakes from standby will tell you exactly what woke it up, if it knows. I've never had it return with "unknown" once in over a decade, but some people I know have. if you can find all the things waking the computer, and fix those things, it will never wake without user intervention. usually, for me, it's been device…
>>I mean, I know it's too late to help you, but running "powercfg.exe /lastwake" after a windows computer wakes from standby will tell you exactly what woke it up, if it knows. I'm one of those people - my computer kept waking up in the middle of the night and that command would always just return "wake source: unknown" for me.
are there devices which are allowed to wake your computer?
powercfg -devicequery wake_armed
powercfg -devicedisablewake "Device Name"
if you haven't tried this, try it, and I really hope it helps.
Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag
#579Earlier quoted context omitted.
I once had told Caffeine not to sleep my 2014 MBPr when the lid was shut and later put it in my backpack. Why the frak doesn’t the laptop have an over temp shutdown feature? iPhones so, trying leaving one in the sun for a bit.
Caffeine shouldn't prevent it from sleeping anymore anymore unless you have an HDMI plugged in it.
Yes and Macs have worked like that since the PPC days. Display closed + no external display connected = sleep. Removing said display will also make it sleep.
I guess it's a bug or some monitoring service that crashed.
Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag
#580I stopped using my Microsoft Surface Pro because it had the same issues. It's a clusterfuck of bad design decisions at Microsoft, the most offensive one being that they prioritize the execution of their scheduled spyware upload (telemetry) over honoring the agreement with the user that a sleeping PC will remain asleep unless the user takes action. It'll even install updates at night and then make reboot sounds to wak…
This is the literal reason I switched to OSX. I dislike the impractical design of Macbooks - horrible connectivity and no way to swap batteries. However the combination of 15 hrs battery life + closing the lid and it not melting a hole in my bag trumps any negatives.
Just make sure you close Outlook before you close your lid. Not that Outlook is a good choice for mail, but corporations seem to like it, but at least in my experience, it somehow signals Mac OS to drain the battery.