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YouTube will now show ads on all videos even if creators don’t want them

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Post by ripply »

TT3351 wrote: post #318
bsd44 wrote: post #118

As a content consumer I see this as a positive thing for me. A few months ago when YouTube decided to auto-add ads on all videos, my watch time on YouTube decreased by more than 50% since I consume all video content on either my phone or my tablet (where I don't have access to AdBlock), and I find the amount of ads I have to go through to watch a video so annoying that I'd rather not watch it at all. As a result I sp…

My trick for this is to disable the Youtube app on my phone and only use the browser to watch videos. Combined with DNS66, the few ads that do make it through on the site can be dismissed by just refreshing the page, which is easy to do in my browser.

This also works on iOS and you can even get a shortcut to let you bypass PIP being disabled and by pausing the video 2-3 times in picture mode you bug it out and can play the video with the screen off - not very convenient for short videos but longer ones it works well with.

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Post by Lambdanaut »

ApolloFortyNine wrote: post #554
cableshaft wrote: post #4

I know there are several content creators (such as Jim Sterling) that have their videos ad-free as a perk for their supporters (since he's supported enough via Patreon). He's pretty angry about this change. I somewhat understand Google's stance on this, as it's a service that should be allowed to make money even on people who don't want to make money. They don't really have such a way to opt out of pretty much any ot…

>So in that respect, it's kind of a shitty move by Google. 12 years of free video hosting with no ads and a platform for people to discover your videos is quite the deal. They always had to add ads at some point, hosting video, and the bandwidth and transcoding that goes with it, is incredibly expensive, not to mention the dev time going into creating such a massive platform. If you thought you could eat a free lunch…

> They always had to add ads at some point, hosting video, and the bandwidth and transcoding that goes with it, is incredibly expensive, not to mention the dev time going into creating such a massive platform.

This isn't about covering expenses that they couldn't afford otherwise. This is about making enormously rich people even richer.

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Post by moogly »

ApolloFortyNine wrote: post #562
moogly wrote: post #559

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't really understand bringing up the "hosting video is so expensive; poor poor Youtube being exploited by nasty creators" angle. It's a symbiotic relationship. Without content creators, Youtube is nothing. Without Youtube's massive user base, content creators will reach no one. Meanwhile, Youtube is the one making money over fist (4-5 billion dollars per quarter), so I don't understand why we should feel sorry f…

>Without content creators Without content creators who refuse to allow ads in exchange for free hosting, is it nothing? Probably not, most creators do enjoy making money, and most of the ones putting out content for free, but without ads, will struggle to find a competitor who will indefinitely provide free hosting. >4-5 billion dollars per quarter In revenue, not profit. Very, very important distinction.

I mean... you take the good with the bad to get the breadth and depth in your platform. You make a shitload of money on PewDiePie and nothing on Mieleman (sorry; I forget the name of the German guy who posts videos of washing machine cycles), and balance the two. It's not difficult.

~~Okay then, 15 billion in profits last year. I'm no businessman but to me that's pretty damn good profits with those revenue numbers.~~

Edit: Alright, Google search failed me. Searching for profits gave me revenue. Sorry about that. Profits are still secret, it seems. But the hosting costs won't eat the lion's share of that, I can assure you.

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Post by jefftk »

coddle-hark wrote: post #481
levosmetalo wrote: post #188

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I have free grandfathered Google Business Plan, including Gmail, but on my domain. The moment Google decides that I have to pay for it, even if it's 0,01 € per month, I'll be moving to another paid service. Why I didn't do it myself, pure laziness, but starting to charge would be a kick in the right direction.

Which other free email provider are you considering?

>> I'll be moving to another paid service.

> Which other free email provider are you considering?

I think you're talking past each other?

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Post by ihuman »

gonehome wrote: post #273
kumarm wrote: post #259

Having youtube premium is definitely the biggest time saver for me. Other than not showing ads, lets you listen to videos like a podcast on mobile in background. For podcasts that also posts youtube videos, I just use youtube since it lets me see reactions when I want to from podcasters. I never understand HN Crowd complaining about ads on YouTube. It literally costs(1 month sub) less than typing a comment like this…

YouTube premium is great - I wish I could pay for ad free Twitter. Being able to pay for a service without ads is worth it. Users complaining about a free ad subsidized service come across as unreasonable to me (and maybe a little entitled).

Twitter doesn't include ads in their API, so all 3rd-party clients are ad-free (unless they include their own ads)

Re: YouTube will now show ads on all videos even if creators don’t want them

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Post by ApolloFortyNine »

moogly wrote: post #573
ApolloFortyNine wrote: post #562

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Without content creators Without content creators who refuse to allow ads in exchange for free hosting, is it nothing? Probably not, most creators do enjoy making money, and most of the ones putting out content for free, but without ads, will struggle to find a competitor who will indefinitely provide free hosting. >4-5 billion dollars per quarter In revenue, not profit. Very, very important distinction.

I mean... you take the good with the bad to get the breadth and depth in your platform. You make a shitload of money on PewDiePie and nothing on Mieleman (sorry; I forget the name of the German guy who posts videos of washing machine cycles), and balance the two. It's not difficult. ~~Okay then, 15 billion in profits last year. I'm no businessman but to me that's pretty damn good profits with those revenue numbers.~~…

...again my friend, that is the revenue number. Searching Youtube revenue 2019 gives you exactly that number.

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Post by bestnameever »

Lambdanaut wrote: post #572
ApolloFortyNine wrote: post #554

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>So in that respect, it's kind of a shitty move by Google. 12 years of free video hosting with no ads and a platform for people to discover your videos is quite the deal. They always had to add ads at some point, hosting video, and the bandwidth and transcoding that goes with it, is incredibly expensive, not to mention the dev time going into creating such a massive platform. If you thought you could eat a free lunch…

> They always had to add ads at some point, hosting video, and the bandwidth and transcoding that goes with it, is incredibly expensive, not to mention the dev time going into creating such a massive platform. This isn't about covering expenses that they couldn't afford otherwise. This is about making enormously rich people even richer.

Most businesses don’t give away products or services away for free on a mass scale despite being able to afford to do so.

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Post by ApolloFortyNine »

Lambdanaut wrote: post #572
ApolloFortyNine wrote: post #554

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>So in that respect, it's kind of a shitty move by Google. 12 years of free video hosting with no ads and a platform for people to discover your videos is quite the deal. They always had to add ads at some point, hosting video, and the bandwidth and transcoding that goes with it, is incredibly expensive, not to mention the dev time going into creating such a massive platform. If you thought you could eat a free lunch…

> They always had to add ads at some point, hosting video, and the bandwidth and transcoding that goes with it, is incredibly expensive, not to mention the dev time going into creating such a massive platform. This isn't about covering expenses that they couldn't afford otherwise. This is about making enormously rich people even richer.

>This isn't about covering expenses that they couldn't afford otherwise. This is about making enormously rich people even richer.

So you truly believe people should be entitled to free video hosting?

It literally costs money to host content. If you make the platform no money, Youtube has no obligation to keep you around. Just because I pay for my groceries doesn't mean you get yours for free. Just because one person is paying doesn't mean an equal numbers of others don't have to.

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Post by ardacinar »

luckyshot wrote: post #420
O_H_E wrote: post #389

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Unfortunately, I use YoutubeVanced to block ads on my Android. Background playback is a plus. No root required. https://vancedapp.com/

There's the risk that Google will ban your account as it has done previously to some users, losing access and data hosted in their ecosystem (Gmail, Docs...), that's the thing that scares me the most. But yeah, Vanced (and the new YT Music) is amazing.

I guess the solution here is to not use your main Google account with youtube vanced?
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