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Someone on reddit dug up an old tweet from her. "Black people CANNOT be racist against White people. Racism is a position of the oppressor who has the power" https://twitter.com/adriarichards/status/6039856858 Words fail me. (I realize that it's unrelated but it provides some insight into her mentality).

Wow, instantly paints a picture of what a complete dumbass this person is.

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This write up is ridiculously biased. If you read Adria's write up, which includes the photo, you can see that there's absolutely nothing private about the conversation. Look at the photos in http://butyoureagirl.com/14015/forking-and-dongle-jokes-dont... You can see that the two guys are in very crowded presentation room surrounded by other people. Their conversation, unless whispered, would be clearly audible by ma…

"Private" does not mean "noone can hear us". Private is more about the limited "address" of your conversation.

Your definition does not make sense in this context. If it was loud enough the ”damage“ was done (in the shape of an uncomfortable situation).

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> women want to be equal, but they want to keep certain privileges. What privilege is this that she wants to keep? Women are already bombarded with sex jokes. The fact it's such an outrage she spoke up is testament to that.

> What privilege is this that she wants to keep? Women are already bombarded with sex jokes. The fact it's such an outrage she spoke up is testament to that. This times three million.

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Couple pieces to this. First – the fact that this guy's employer made a kneejerk reaction is no one's fault but the employer. Next – let's talk about this red herring of "sexism." Making a phallus joke might be sexist depending on context. Or it might not be. Sexism is not at issue here. The individual in question concedes that they did, in fact, make the joke. From PyCon's code of conduct: "All communication should…

Wasnt it a private conversation? The code of conduct covered talks and other public communication. This was a gross invasion of privacy and damaging slander.

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Her post is quite good, and provides a very good argumentation for her actions. For a moment, I almost agreed with her. Then I realized the problem, the same one that feminists are facing more and more; women want to be equal, but they want to keep certain privileges. They want to be accepted by men in tech as equals, but be spared sex jokes (that, btw, have nothing to do with tech, but have a lot to do with men; in…

> women want to be equal, but they want to keep certain privileges. What privilege is this that she wants to keep? Women are already bombarded with sex jokes. The fact it's such an outrage she spoke up is testament to that.

There isn't an outrage because she spoke up, there's an outrage because she publicly identified and shamed them over something so minor. It should have gone no further then her contacting the event staff and how they resolved it

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While I don't completely agree with every nuance of what you present, I am impressed with your ability to understand and articulate the complexities of the situation. "PyCon has codes of conduct, and procedures in place if those are not followed. Some jerks weren't behaving appropriately, it was settled in a fair and appropriate manner - everyone wins!" This is the core of what happened. PyCon issued a statement sayi…

> This is the core of what happened. The problem is it's not the entirety of what happened. We can't use this as an example of the "PyCon system" working, because it's not that - it's some other system where people complain publicly and then PyCon responds - hopefully not purely out of shame (I have absolute faith in the PyCon people and their absolute earnestness, it's just that the ambiguity is there regardless). L…

"The focus on women as opposed to creating an appropriate environment for EVERYONE is a little disappointed."

This is one of the "nuances" where I wasn't completely in accord with you. I agree that it would have been better (and made her seem less opportunistic and attention-seeking) if she had made the point that this kind of behavior was unproductive for everyone, whether straight white nerd man-boys, children, women, etc. However, I think that focusing on the female aspect is legitimate as her personal view.

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i dont know what to say... this is getting quiet common in the internets to first bully over the internet than speaking to the person directly... just makes me wanna shutdown my twitter and my facebook account

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#569

Just one word that comes to my mind here: Attention whore. Talking about penises is not sexist. Just wtf??

There's probably a way you could have expressed that without using such a loaded word of "whore" especially when allegations of sexism are in play. At least choose your words well. Adria is a prostitute because you disagree with her sensibility and judgement? I may not agree with her either but I'm not going to resort to name-calling. Be more mature.

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My first response is the pitch-fork one that seems prevalent. However, what if the person was making a comment about the housekeeping at the conference hotel, or were cracking a joke about "rollin on ma 20 inch rims all up in da hood" that were overheard by a minority? Would the same objections about it being a private conversation apply?
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