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Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously

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Re: Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously

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We didn't

It's an unfortunate name collision. I definitely assumed the meaning was implied.

I thought it was just spelled differently because I don't work with particle physics much

Re: Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously

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post #560

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> Tastelessness and mediocrity and inability to grasp nuance or feign at humility are on full display, not to mention a fantasy for violence You are doing the same thing, very ironic. At least I'm not the one trying to act like I'm on the moral high ground.

How is that the same thing at all? You didn't understand the comment you replied to and were confidently wrong. The person replying to you understood what you were saying very clearly and didn't make any ridiculous "you may not last long" comments like you did...

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Re: Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously

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A startup and a business aren't the same thing in the eyes of YC. https://www.paulgraham.com/growth.html A business is web store selling coffee cups where the bottom line governs it's continuation. A startup is ambitious project where a growth rate governs it's continuation. The end result of a business is a lemonade stand or a barber or donut shop, the end result of a startup is OpenAI or Google.

> The end result of a business is a lemonade stand or a barber or donut shop, the end result of a startup is OpenAI or Google. That's a bit disingenuous. The more comparable end result for a coffee shop is Starbucks. Or Amazon if you want to talk about books

pg would argue Starbucks the Umbrella group is startup as it's an franchise operation focussed on growth. A single instance of Starbucks is a business focussed on turning a profit.

In fact even the name YC is YCombinator, which in programming is a "function that produces functions" and YC is supposed to be a startup that produces startups. Here Starbucks (Umbrella) is a startup that produces coffee shops (Starbucks).

You can define startup or business however you like it's not a legally protected term. Just around these parts that's what it means and I personally find the distinction useful when reasoning about what does and doesn't have high growth potential.

Re: Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously

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post #560

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> Tastelessness and mediocrity and inability to grasp nuance or feign at humility are on full display, not to mention a fantasy for violence You are doing the same thing, very ironic. At least I'm not the one trying to act like I'm on the moral high ground.

How is that the same thing at all? You didn't understand the comment you replied to and were confidently wrong. The person replying to you understood what you were saying very clearly and didn't make any ridiculous "you may not last long" comments like you did...

You're taking this far too seriously. You'd think I'd committed a terrible crime or something. Give it a break.

Re: Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously

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I still have to remind Ai not to use the n+1 pattern in queries, and fight it to stop using inconsistent inline styles vs classes, even within a single page. How are people getting this "waste of time not to use AI" and "generates 99% of my code" level of code quality? I know people's response will likely be something, something, "add instructions to memory to not use n+1", etc. But if the Ai wants to generate code t…

I've been developing a suspicion that many people simply aren't looking at what their agents produce and can't speak to the quality of it in a fully informed way. For context, I've set up harnesses with recursive automated review loops, spec driven development, explicit lists, better models, better harnesses, formal methods tooling, etc. All of it helps, but they don't eliminate output issues. Those become very appar…

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Re: Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously

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If you have an agent that can run a business, then… why not… run a business? Why does YC bother financing startups led by founders, if the AI can just do it? (This startup proudly remarks that it’s backed by YC)

I own a bookstore and about 90% of back office work is automated by software and AI. Probably most fulfilling project I've worked on in the past few years after taking a long break from tech.

Re: Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously

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I see. Sounds more like a scientist to me :)

yeah that's definitely scientist. The two are easy to conflate since they both deal with manipulating reality to make it do things we want, but science focuses on understanding the reality itself and engineering focuses on getting it to do what we want.

Still seems like the same driving force of curiosity behind both, but one wants to know and one wants to do. It's like yin and yang, like two sides of the same coin.

I'm into engineering because I want to create what's never existed.

Science is more about discovering what already exists.

Re: Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously

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Meanwhile, I can't even get Astra to consistently re-use the same font-size across all of my HTML page headings+subheadings. There's just no world where this actually results in a stable, respected business. It will be death by a thousand bad impressions, mistakes and oversights. Yeah, you can automate everything. That doesn't mean it's being done well. That's not to say this might not be something feasible in 2-3 ye…

I wonder if any of there businesses are profitable?
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