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Pion, an agent designed to run any company autonomously

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Post by weird-eye-issue »

vector_spaces wrote: post #433
weird-eye-issue wrote: post #408

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you think that all instances of using AI to write code is vibe coding and you can't even spell model you might not last much longer

The certitude with which you condemn your peer without the slightest consideration for subtlety or alternate explanations for what you've understood to be true -- this comment is such a beautiful encapsulation of the state of discourse today. In some ways it is the modal comment of the moment. Tastelessness and mediocrity and inability to grasp nuance or feign at humility are on full display, not to mention a fantasy…

> Tastelessness and mediocrity and inability to grasp nuance or feign at humility are on full display, not to mention a fantasy for violence

You are doing the same thing, very ironic. At least I'm not the one trying to act like I'm on the moral high ground.

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Post by redf5 »

andyroid wrote: post #413
aurareturn wrote: post #405

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People said Devin, the AI coding agent, was garbage in 2024. Now it's weird if an agent isn't writing 99% of your code. So you're right to be skeptical as of September 2026. But September 2028? It might just be weird to run companies without AI management.

I don’t know a single developer who has an agent write 99% of their code. Is that the norm outside of my bubble?

An agent writes 99% of the code. Then I fix some parts, re-arrange things, usually takes a few prompts. Then, there's code review, more changes, etc. But I hardly write code nowadays compared to a few years ago.

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Post by Hamuko »

nxc18 wrote: post #427
weird-eye-issue wrote: post #408

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you think that all instances of using AI to write code is vibe coding and you can't even spell model you might not last much longer

“Modal” is a word. The AI brainrot is real.

You can’t definitively say that using AI is making people stupid. It could as well be that stupid people are drawn towards using AI.

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Post by Hamuko »

nullbio wrote: post #400

Meanwhile, I can't even get Astra to consistently re-use the same font-size across all of my HTML page headings+subheadings. There's just no world where this actually results in a stable, respected business. It will be death by a thousand bad impressions, mistakes and oversights. Yeah, you can automate everything. That doesn't mean it's being done well. That's not to say this might not be something feasible in 2-3 ye…

I fully agree with the respected part. People hate when they need to contact customer support and are greeted with an AI chatbot. Now imagine if a customer needs to contact the CEO or sales department and is met with an AI chatbot.

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Post by spunker540 »

andyroid wrote: post #413
aurareturn wrote: post #405

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People said Devin, the AI coding agent, was garbage in 2024. Now it's weird if an agent isn't writing 99% of your code. So you're right to be skeptical as of September 2026. But September 2028? It might just be weird to run companies without AI management.

I don’t know a single developer who has an agent write 99% of their code. Is that the norm outside of my bubble?

That is the norm where I work , heck I’d say 99% seems low

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Post by dvfjsdhgfv »

aurareturn wrote: post #405
nullbio wrote: post #400

Meanwhile, I can't even get Astra to consistently re-use the same font-size across all of my HTML page headings+subheadings. There's just no world where this actually results in a stable, respected business. It will be death by a thousand bad impressions, mistakes and oversights. Yeah, you can automate everything. That doesn't mean it's being done well. That's not to say this might not be something feasible in 2-3 ye…

People said Devin, the AI coding agent, was garbage in 2024. Now it's weird if an agent isn't writing 99% of your code. So you're right to be skeptical as of September 2026. But September 2028? It might just be weird to run companies without AI management.

> People said Devin, the AI coding agent, was garbage in 2024. Now it's weird if an agent isn't writing 99% of your code.

I have two comments to this statement. First, using "the" suggests being unique, where in fact there were several similar attempts of similarly low quality, including open-source autogpt even before that.

Second, Devin is still bad, in spite of VC money spent on its development and costly billboards in SF.

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Post by throwaway7356 »

mikeocool wrote: post #284
rfgplk wrote: post #148

I suspect this is the future of most businesses. Even today, one person can effectively replicate Microsoft from the early 2000s.

One person can build a $22 billion company (in year 2000 dollars) that sells an operating system used by 97% of personal computers, the world’s most popular office suite, along with a bunch of other software used by virtually every company in the world, and is on the verge of releasing a wildly popular gaming console system? Do you have any examples of this?

I think you miss the most important bits:

- backdoor deals to discourage alternatives, such as moving headquarters to convince people not to use alternatives,

- monopoly abuse,

- active sabotage of alternative software by intentionally triggering false errors if used with competitors' software (DR DOS),

- unleashing Internet Explorer on humanity (which proves that AI can't be that bad if humanity survived that)

You know, the stuff that every philantrope like Gates does all the time.

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Post by truncate »

andyroid wrote: post #413
aurareturn wrote: post #405

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People said Devin, the AI coding agent, was garbage in 2024. Now it's weird if an agent isn't writing 99% of your code. So you're right to be skeptical as of September 2026. But September 2028? It might just be weird to run companies without AI management.

I don’t know a single developer who has an agent write 99% of their code. Is that the norm outside of my bubble?

That’s a norm at my place as well. But it’s not free. We have definitely given up on quality (both code and general stability) and fully understanding what’s going on. People are generally working more as well, because of all the layoffs pressure.

Industry is betting that we don’t need to. I still consider it a bet because Claude Code this scale has become norm just for a year.

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Post by boonzeet »

aurareturn wrote: post #405
nullbio wrote: post #400

Meanwhile, I can't even get Astra to consistently re-use the same font-size across all of my HTML page headings+subheadings. There's just no world where this actually results in a stable, respected business. It will be death by a thousand bad impressions, mistakes and oversights. Yeah, you can automate everything. That doesn't mean it's being done well. That's not to say this might not be something feasible in 2-3 ye…

People said Devin, the AI coding agent, was garbage in 2024. Now it's weird if an agent isn't writing 99% of your code. So you're right to be skeptical as of September 2026. But September 2028? It might just be weird to run companies without AI management.

I still think it’s weird if an agent is writing 99% of your production code.

It should be more like 80% with significant review.

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Post by bootsmann »

yk_42 wrote: post #418
weird-eye-issue wrote: post #408

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you think that all instances of using AI to write code is vibe coding and you can't even spell model you might not last much longer

I think this is an uncharitable misinterpretation of the parent comment. I took “modal engineer” to mean “the statistical mode of engineers”, not a misspelling of “model engineer”. Which means I think you’re in agreement that using AI to write code is not necessarily vibe coding and that vibe coding is not what the majority (mode) are doing. But I may be wrong.

You are absolutely right :)
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