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iOS 17 will reportedly set the stage for sideloading apps on iPhone

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Post by peoplefromibiza »

nicce wrote: post #497
standardUser wrote: post #228

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I was there. It was not chaos.

Why anti-virus engines used to be multi billion business?

because they were not integrated in the operating system [1] and/or the OS were not sandboxed.

Also, app stores did not exist, app stores do scan software for malwares, they are actually antiviruses on the cloud.

but it's an opaque anti virus, not under the user's control, apps could be rejected for whatever reason, so today chaos is only hidden under the rug, but it's actually worse then it was before.

Nobody back then said: "my grandfather should not use the computer, he's in danger", also because if someone owned a computer back then they probably knew how to operate it, today that's not true anymore by a large margin.

[1] https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/comprehensive-securi...

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Post by nicce »

peoplefromibiza wrote: post #561
nicce wrote: post #497

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why anti-virus engines used to be multi billion business?

because they were not integrated in the operating system [1] and/or the OS were not sandboxed. Also, app stores did not exist, app stores do scan software for malwares, they are actually antiviruses on the cloud. but it's an opaque anti virus, not under the user's control, apps could be rejected for whatever reason, so today chaos is only hidden under the rug, but it's actually worse then it was before. Nobody back t…

My comment was a bit ironic and maybe low quality in that sense.

They wouldn't be needed if there weren't malware chaos in the first hand. So people were willing to pay for removing malware and keeping their computers safe because the threat was real and common.

It is true that there is still a big chaos, but it is hidden under the rug.

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Post by HeckFeck »

dexterdog wrote: post #491
sizzle wrote: post #480

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Have you ever used a Samsung Galaxy device in comparison? I’m being upsold on their bloatware left and right and third party services. I hate Samsung and Android now with a passion because they don’t respect my settings and often install random system settings that contradict my choices. iOS is a breath of fresh air in comparison and does none of this. I say this as a diehard Android G1/Nexus fanboy from way back bef…

Get a pixel and put graphene on it.

Graphene is actually great, I'll admit that. Though it does come at the cost of avoiding any mainstream apps. I suppose that depends where you are in life and who your main contacts are.

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Post by GeekyBear »

rickdeckard wrote: post #556
GeekyBear wrote: post #477

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Yes, for some reason you're pushing the straw man argument that relentlessly spying on everyone, even people who are not your customer at all, is the same thing as having a first party business relationship with your own customer.

Nope. I'm asking how the persona creation of Google/Meta for selling ads is any different to Apple doing the very same thing, and if those actions when done by one party qualify as "spying", what are the same actions done by Apple then. You avoided clarifying your view on Apple's actions for hours and instead kept arguing how Google/Meta's action are clearly espionage. Now you inadvertently clarified that Apple is fr…

You remain completely unconvincing on this topic, and relying on straw man arguments isn't helping.

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Post by criddell »

EMIRELADERO wrote: post #43
criddell wrote: post #36

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Of course it does. In addition to governments, how long do you think it will take for companies and schools to roll out apps to monitor what people are doing with their phones? Companies will say you have a choice (you can always quit!) and schools will just be protecting children - who could oppose that? And you know when it comes to enterprise and software sold to school districts, it's usually top quality stuff.

Can't they already do this with MDM?

Yes, but this lowers the bar significantly.

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Post by throwaway290 »

asadotzler wrote: post #284
throwaway290 wrote: post #196

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Many of us may not realize it here, but desktop is super niche compared to mobile... (edit: if you consider worldwide)

Not really, it's about 50/50 plus or minus 10 depending on which geography of income level you look at.

I doubt it, most people I know rarely use laptops except for work related purposes... keep in mind we are talking about people not in tech (yes I know hard to imagine that is most people on the planet)

If you look at traffic stats by OS, remember they don't show that most traffic comes disproportionately from a minority of tech users and bots.

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Post by rickdeckard »

GeekyBear wrote: post #564
rickdeckard wrote: post #556

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nope. I'm asking how the persona creation of Google/Meta for selling ads is any different to Apple doing the very same thing, and if those actions when done by one party qualify as "spying", what are the same actions done by Apple then. You avoided clarifying your view on Apple's actions for hours and instead kept arguing how Google/Meta's action are clearly espionage. Now you inadvertently clarified that Apple is fr…

You remain completely unconvincing on this topic, and relying on straw man arguments isn't helping.

Haha I didn't even attempt to convince you.

You keep circling around a "good company is good, bad company is bad" narrative.

You condemn the collection of data for the purpose of targeted advertising, because that's "spying". You don't care if Apple is also doing advertising, because it's the collection of data which is problematic.

I just asked how Apple is expected to sell targeted ads any differently than collecting their users' data (to create personas for ads), and you keep reframing it to reply how others are "bad companies" because they collect userdata. This is the straw man argument you keep creating.

You made it very clear that there is no answer. To you Apple is simply different because they are a "good company".

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Post by bena »

fauxpause_ wrote: post #551
bena wrote: post #453

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Apple doesn't offer Uber. Uber offers Uber. Uber offers it through the App Store because that's their only option. And even if the only thing that happens is that Apple takes a smaller percentage, that doesn't impact me at all. I'd still pay the same. So, in your best case, we have a scenario that is neutral for me. Excuse me for not being thrilled by that.

It impacts you in the form of lower prices.

Uber is going to collect the difference, not the customer.

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Post by seba_dos1 »

vbezhenar wrote: post #553
seba_dos1 wrote: post #428

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It used to not be possible at all, and now you still have to repeat it regularly if you want to keep using the sideloaded application, which makes it close to useless for anything else than development. Of course, as expected from Apple, doing it from another OS than macOS is a huge PITA too.

It was always possible. Buy a developer certificate. $100/year, when whole iPhone is like $1500 is not that expensive. Consider it a premium service.

The whole iPhone I got was $100 itself, second hand, some older version that was still useful for development. Its purpose was to let me port my game engine to iOS. I managed to port a single app, run it on the phone and then decided to forget about iOS at all. The necessary effort to deal with all that stuff is crazy and it's better to spend all that time elsewhere.

Today that phone stays in the drawer and I can't run that app on it anymore; I'd probably have to spend hours figuring things out again just to redeploy it so I can launch it on my phone.

Meanwhile, on my actual phone, I can just scp a deb package and install it with dpkg, and it works until I uninstall it myself.

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Post by trarmp »

arcticbull wrote: post #515
trarmp wrote: post #501

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Those are numbers for smartphone sales, not the software on them. Hardware sales can be negative, sometimes even intended. Just look at console vendors for that.

That can't make the numbers look better, after all, Apple gets 30% of App Store sales, while Google takes the cut of Android apps sold through the Play store. And that gets even worse when you see Apple gets 67% of all app revenues too. [1] [1] https://www.businessofapps.com/data/app-revenues/

Then just say that in the first place. I don't disagree that Apple users are much more likely to pay for software than Android users, but you don't need hardware sales to make that point.
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