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iOS 17 will reportedly set the stage for sideloading apps on iPhone

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Re: iOS 17 will reportedly set the stage for sideloading apps on iPhone

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>but having no tacky tracky shit shovelled throughout the OS Like ads for icloud services in settings? Apple TV and Music subscription promotions appearing above all other the settings links? Personalized tracking being enabled by default?

Have you ever used a Samsung Galaxy device in comparison? I’m being upsold on their bloatware left and right and third party services. I hate Samsung and Android now with a passion because they don’t respect my settings and often install random system settings that contradict my choices. iOS is a breath of fresh air in comparison and does none of this. I say this as a diehard Android G1/Nexus fanboy from way back bef…

Get a pixel and put graphene on it.

Re: iOS 17 will reportedly set the stage for sideloading apps on iPhone

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Android is a much bigger market worldwide. Only in the US and a few other rich places Apple is still the #1.

Apple is more lucrative in the sense that people spend significantly more money on their App Store.

Read the above comment regarding FBs breakdown of revenue per customer by region.

Re: iOS 17 will reportedly set the stage for sideloading apps on iPhone

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I'm dreading this. I want privacy hostile companies like Facebook to have to comply with the app store rules and respect system settings relating to privacy. As a user, I'm thrilled when Apple wields its big stick to stop big tech companies from overreaching. Before there was a bit of a compromise, I could use evil apps with some peace of mind that they wouldn't do something egregious. Now I suspect evil apps just wo…

I don't see a reality where companies like Facebook or Snapchat start distributing their applications outside the App Store. Maybe we see something where e.g. Facebook tries to spin up their own App Store, for them and anyone else who wants to join, but I would bet every dollar I have that this would simply be a failed venture. Because ultimately most people think, intentionally or not, like you do: Apps come from th…

Gaming, Gambling, and Porn also happen to be my 3 larges sources of dopamine.

Re: iOS 17 will reportedly set the stage for sideloading apps on iPhone

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> hasn't caused chaos on desktop platforms I beg to differ. How many windows machines were infected in the early 2000's? Would bot-nets exist if Windows had a strict app store back then? Now: I will agree that freedom to install any software on desktops has been wonderful, and I hope it remains, but I wouldn't say it hasn't caused chaos.

Why are people bring up the early '00s? This seems too obvious to have to mention, but I guess I do: the comp for iOS with side-loading isn't Windows 98, it's MacOS in 2023.

Because it’s the only way their argument holds any water. In 2023, the security problems inherent to allowing app installations outside operating system stores have been almost completely mitigated.

Re: iOS 17 will reportedly set the stage for sideloading apps on iPhone

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It's the OS that ensures privacy, security and sandboxing, not the App Store.

On some things but not others. E.g. OS protections don't limit against things like "Displaying targeted advertisements in your app based on user data collected from apps and websites owned by other companies." as it's not something the OS can really know is happening, just that there are ads being loaded.

The OS can control the data the app has access to for fingerprinting, with enough restrictions apps like Facebook would still have to rely on guesswork to do so

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> An alt-store stands to capture more value on iOS than Android, and spying on iOS users is probably a whole lot more lucrative than spying on Android users. How so? I think American Apple users just don’t realise how insignificant Apple market share is outside the US. Android was open from the start. Giant like Amazon tried to kickstart alt stores. What did happen? Nothing. I think people should stop drinking Apple…

> > An alt-store stands to capture more value on iOS than Android, and spying on iOS users is probably a whole lot more lucrative than spying on Android users. > How so? What... part of this remains unclear? It's the same incentives that drive iOS-first development choices, with the added wrinkle that the App Store restricts the potential of certain monetization schemes (spying on users) more than the Play Store does…

Obviously the implication is that only plebs are using Android and affluent people are on iOS

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You’re giving away your age with this comment. Of course it has caused chaos on desktop platforms, especially Windows in the early 2000s, late 90s. Since that era, it’s slowly dug itself out of that hole.

I was there. It was not chaos.

Why anti-virus engines used to be multi billion business?

Re: iOS 17 will reportedly set the stage for sideloading apps on iPhone

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I'm dreading this. I want privacy hostile companies like Facebook to have to comply with the app store rules and respect system settings relating to privacy. As a user, I'm thrilled when Apple wields its big stick to stop big tech companies from overreaching. Before there was a bit of a compromise, I could use evil apps with some peace of mind that they wouldn't do something egregious. Now I suspect evil apps just wo…

You can tell by how it hasn't happened on Android once in its fifteen-year lifespan.

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Advertising has been profitable without spying for many, many decades. Spying just makes it more profitable. Most of the world would be fine with Larry, Sergey and Mark only being able to afford one mega yacht apiece.

> Advertising has been profitable without spying for many, many decades. So was the horse drawn carriage. Where is that industry now? George Orwell could not have conceived a time where everyone was voluntarily carrying an electronic billboard in their pocket. But we are in that world, and that world no longer has room for the Mad Men/Ogilvy/Chiat Day era of ad agencies creating one-size fits all campaigns. Google an…

> So was the horse drawn carriage. Where is that industry now?

Less profitable is not the same thing as impossible, no matter how much it enriches your bottom line.

Re: iOS 17 will reportedly set the stage for sideloading apps on iPhone

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> Historically, Apple execs including Tim Cook and Craig Federighi have staunchly opposed sideloading citing privacy and security reasons. Which is funny to me, because after flipping through the App Store for an email client, I found, on this heavily curated storefront, a single digit number of apps I would trust with my email credentials. Android, with it's option to "sideload" F-Droid, gives me dramatically more o…

The problem is that most of the mainstream apps will not be in F-Droid et al. when they are the ones which should be in there.

We lose all transparency for the big players. Meta does not want us to know precisely how much it collects data.

If they can start somehow avoid Apples privacy restrictions and reduce transparency with side loading, they will do it.

There isn’t really problem with the lack of sideloading in iOS.

It is just that costly developer licence and strict requiremets of App store to increase the quality of the apps.

Sideloading just makes it easier to install lower quality software and some random oss projects where maintainers do not have either Apple’s licence or time to maintain app store releases.

Of course, there is the payment fee but that is another story.

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