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iOS 17 will reportedly set the stage for sideloading apps on iPhone

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Re: iOS 17 will reportedly set the stage for sideloading apps on iPhone

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Post by chiefalchemist »

yamtaddle wrote: post #147
jclardy wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm the opposite, as looking at android, where do we see this? All big players are still in the play store, because the average user of those services doesn't want to be bothered going to a website, clicking scary looking buttons to enable third party installs, then manually update their own installed apps. Basically the risk would be someone like TikTok dropping out of the store, but I find that unlikely. Maybe at t…

> I'm the opposite, as looking at android, where do we see this? 1) Android hasn't made things as hard for malware vendors as Apple has, and 2) Android's not as lucrative a market as iOS Those together mean incentives are significantly different, so we might not see the same behavior on iOS as we have on Android, from companies that are upset about not being able to to distribute as-effective malware as they'd prefer…

Put another way,Apple and iOS is becoming more like Google and Android.

My privacy isn't happy about this.

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Post by hoffs »

yamtaddle wrote: post #147
jclardy wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm the opposite, as looking at android, where do we see this? All big players are still in the play store, because the average user of those services doesn't want to be bothered going to a website, clicking scary looking buttons to enable third party installs, then manually update their own installed apps. Basically the risk would be someone like TikTok dropping out of the store, but I find that unlikely. Maybe at t…

> I'm the opposite, as looking at android, where do we see this? 1) Android hasn't made things as hard for malware vendors as Apple has, and 2) Android's not as lucrative a market as iOS Those together mean incentives are significantly different, so we might not see the same behavior on iOS as we have on Android, from companies that are upset about not being able to to distribute as-effective malware as they'd prefer…

Citation needed

Re: iOS 17 will reportedly set the stage for sideloading apps on iPhone

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Post by bakugo »

c7DJTLrn wrote: post #167

Can't wait to have five different App Stores and be forced to install a spying app with full system access upon entering undemocratic countries. The average person does not care about the "walled garden." They want a phone that works and protects them.

None of this happens on android. It's time to step out of the Apple fantasy land and into the real world.

Re: iOS 17 will reportedly set the stage for sideloading apps on iPhone

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Post by Hamuko »

coldpie wrote: post #174
Hamuko wrote: post #150

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> like what Epic did with Fortnite on Android? Epic pulled Fortnite from Google Play Store in 2018 because they wanted to keep more of Google's 30% share and they were back in 18 months because most people aren't that determined to get an app outside of the official app store. Any company pulling their apps from the App Store must have a pretty good reason to do so, because they're gonna be decimating their download…

> Epic pulled Fortnite from Google Play Store ... and they were back in 18 months because most people aren't that determined to get an app outside of the official app store. Can you please link me to the Fortnite page on the Play store?

That's an unrelated issue. They're not on the Google Play Store anymore because Google banned them. But they most definitely did come back to the Play Store with their tail between their legs, and even made some salty comments on life outside the Play Store.

https://www.theverge.com/2020/4/21/21229943/epic-games-fortn...

Re: iOS 17 will reportedly set the stage for sideloading apps on iPhone

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Post by andruby »

jmull wrote: post #93

Having "side loading" -- also known as regular app installation on non-phone platforms -- hasn't caused chaos on desktop platforms or android. No reason to think it will on iOS either.

> hasn't caused chaos on desktop platforms

I beg to differ. How many windows machines were infected in the early 2000's? Would bot-nets exist if Windows had a strict app store back then?

Now: I will agree that freedom to install any software on desktops has been wonderful, and I hope it remains, but I wouldn't say it hasn't caused chaos.

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Post by mort96 »

wackget wrote: post #140
mort96 wrote: post #123

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What happens when the apps which used to be available on the app store get taken down and made sideload-only, like what Epic did with Fortnite on Android?

Are you implying that allowing companies the choice to go sideload-only is a bad thing?

I'm saying that "[you can] simply just get apps from the official store" is not necessarily correct. I'm not making a value judgement about whether that's a good or a bad thing.

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Post by sergiotapia »

mort96 wrote: post #118
sergiotapia wrote: post #90

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None of this affects you whatsoever. Just don't use a sideloaded apps. I don't see why this would bother you in any way. Personally if Apple finally allows me to install whatever I want on my phones then I may return to their phones. Until then, I will use Android since I can download and install any .apk I want on my device.

> None of this affects you whatsoever. Just don't use a sideloaded apps. I don't see why this would bother you in any way. That's unfortunately wrong. Say you use WhatsApp to keep in touch with your friends. Say Facebook pulls WhatsApp from the app store and makes it only available via side-loading. What do you do? You have to decide between trying to move everyone you know off of WhatsApp, or you side-load.

Why are you conjuring up this unprecedented hypothetical?

Re: iOS 17 will reportedly set the stage for sideloading apps on iPhone

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Post by Spivak »

lolinder wrote: post #103
Spivak wrote: post #75

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You see how that's worse right? Either give up your privacy or don't use FB. On iOS you can have both.

> On iOS you can have both. No, you can't. You can have some protections against the most egregious overreaches, but if you're concerned about privacy you shouldn't be on Facebook, ever, on any platform. Aside from that, there's no way Facebook will remove themselves from the app store. Apple isn't going to make sideloading easy enough for the average Facebook user.

    No, you can't.
    And if you could, the protections aren't that good.
    And if they were, it's not going to happen anyway.
    And if it does, that's Apple's fault for making it too easy.
    And even so, you deserve it anyway for using Facebook.
I don't think is the argument you think it is. It's basically "nuh-uh" while agreeing with all the arguments in favor no sideloading along the way.

Facebook has 2.95 billion MAUs and 73% of the entire US population actively use it, 93% of businesses are on it -- "just don't use Facebook" is a woefully out of touch take. And this is only Facebook and doesn't include IG and WhatsApp. Meta is 4/4 of the most downloaded apps.

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